Comments on: The Anti-Aristocrats (our Framers) v1 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/ Blog, news, books Tue, 17 Jan 2017 05:38:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: طراحی سایت http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-47555 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 09:53:00 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-47555 so Helpful . Fortunate me I discovered your web site…thanks

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By: Toby Grytafey http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46168 Sun, 21 Jul 2013 01:11:51 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46168 There’s lots of aristocracy talk at the Constitutional Convention & @tweetthedebates. I can start hashtagging it a certain way for you if that would be helpful.

The best quotes are from Gouverneur Morris, though his solution is to give the rich their own House of Lords (else they’d take over the rest).

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By: Paul G http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46099 Thu, 27 Jun 2013 02:57:12 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46099 It’s so funny that we are so culturally conditioned to side skirt the subject of guaranteed income as a knee jerk reaction, without a moment given to consider it’s validity as an element in the endeavors we gather here to discuss.

Yes, it’s not a part of Lessig’s platform. The poster essentially asks, why isn’t it?

Is it because there is fear of being burdened with meaningless labels like ‘socialist”, or that he truly believes it has no place in a solution?

Meanwhile, the solutions elude everyone… including Lessig himself.

What will we do in a 90% automated world? You got to know it’s coming fast.
And wasn’t the whole point of automation to eliminate the burden from humanity and set it free?
Or was it always a ploy to make a hyper rich elite hell bent on destroying the environment with ever more ferocity and efficiency? What would be the point of that? What a disgusting waste of technology.

Will the crusty ancient jobs rhetoric still have resonance when that time comes?

This is like climate change. Everyone seems open to any solution, so long as it looks and sounds a lot like the ones we have now.

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By: topdiablo3 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46097 Wed, 26 Jun 2013 07:20:26 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46097 Of course, Martin Luther King, Jr. also came to the same conclusion and announced it in his speech to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in Atlanta GA on August 16, 1967. Was this the real reason why he was assassinated?

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By: Dbaig http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46086 Fri, 21 Jun 2013 12:45:59 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46086 First of all thank you Lessing, for choosing this quote. Patrick Henry did a lot during the movement for independence. Aristocratic and elite have always been dominating not the dominated ones. Thought provoking post this is.

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By: hasan http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46072 Mon, 17 Jun 2013 18:10:56 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46072 GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGOD

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By: Lee Diamond http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46056 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:20:45 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46056 Perhaps Patrick Henry’s concern is valuable in that we see the advantages of wealth in running for office were a concern from early on in America’s development.

The subject of guaranteed income is not really relevant to this discussion because such a policy would come in the form of a Living Wage. We cannot make society perfect. We cannot create the opportunity for every American to run for office. It is not practical.

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By: Lee Diamond http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46055 Sun, 16 Jun 2013 07:15:01 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46055 As I understand Wikipedia, you are free to go to the site and make appropriate edits, corrections etc if you can document your information.

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By: Tate Rehmet http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46049 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 17:00:13 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46049 Like others have said, I find in interesting that Henry was weary of starting an aristocracy, when in fact there was already an established ruling class in this country at the time. What he said about a poor man having no chance to be elected over a rich man in England was in fact equally true in America as well.

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By: Connie Heermann http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46048 Wed, 12 Jun 2013 01:13:45 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46048 Patrick Henry was not a socialist. I do not believe Mr. Lessig’s proposition advocates basic income guarantees as the solution to preserving our democracy.

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By: Frank L Goodwins http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46039 Sat, 08 Jun 2013 19:54:26 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46039 Interesting that Patrick Henry’s argument hinges on the economics of the problem. Consider this quote from A. Philip Randolph: “A community is democratic only when the humblest and weakest person can enjoy the highest civil, economic, and social rights that the biggest and most powerful possess.” Same idea, right?

Turns out there is a simple way to solve this problem, and to insure that all citizens have equal access to participation in a democratic government.

A. Philip Randolph, who is often attributed with having helped FDR implement the Welfare State as the solution to the Great Depression, advocated a guaranteed income in his Freedom Budget proposed in 1966:

http://archive.org/stream/freedomBudgetForAllAmericansBudgetingOurResources1966-1975To/FB#page/n3/mode/2up

Of course, Martin Luther King, Jr. also came to the same conclusion and announced it in his speech to the Southern Christian Leadership Conference in Atlanta GA on August 16, 1967. Was this the real reason why he was assassinated?

Go to Amy Goodman’s website Democracy Now and search for Basic Income or Guaranteed Income and you will find zero results, in spite of the fact that she pretends to hold MLK and Philip Randolph in the highest reverence (unless, of course, she doesn’t like what they say, and then she just resorts to censorship). Look up A. Philip Randolph on wikipedia and you will find no reference to his crucial support for a guaranteed income.

I wrote to Lawrence Lessig to ask him what he thought of the idea of Basic Income Guarantees. No response.

But the movement for Basic Income is growing worldwide. Check out BIEN and USBIG.

Enough posturing. Let us solve the problem once and for all.

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By: Jambe http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46027 Tue, 04 Jun 2013 01:29:42 +0000 http://www.lessig.org/2013/06/the-anti-aristocrats-our-framers-v1/#comment-46027 Were not many Framers themselves aristocrats and well-off gents?

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