Comments on: An "unusually partisan" truth we need the courage to tell http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: طراحی سایت http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-47565 Tue, 06 Jan 2015 11:48:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-47565 Hi… i like browsing in your web site … Thanks

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By: Ghostcat http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10555 Thu, 01 Jan 2004 14:25:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10555 Look, I watched the movie and I read the book long before it. The book is one of my favorite graphic novels and the movie was decent. I discovered long ago that if anyone who reads comics is to enjoy a comic book movie, they have to take a step back and try and see it as a movie patron. It was a simple action movie which had a good concept. They changed stuff sure, but hollywood changes every movie script a million times before it goes on the screen. So, just leave it alone. If Moore is upset with the way it came out then he shouldn’t have sold the rights.

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By: Taylor McLaren http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10554 Wed, 16 Jul 2003 11:31:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10554 As far as Mac-only downloads of the soundtrack are concerned, Apple is in the process of producing Windows versions of its basically free iWhatever apps; what with the iTunes Music Store being restricted to such a tiny scrap of the overall computer market right now, they’d be silly not to do so.
And as for the Invisible Man not being *the* Invisible Man… well, it sort of makes sense, with *the* Invisible Man having been clubbed to death with a shovel at the end of the novel.

Should I have posted something about “spoilers” there?

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By: Michael Crawford http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10553 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:37:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10553 I would say that while the movie was definitely “mainstreamed”, I still managed to enjoy it quite a bit. It doesn’t hurt that I love the concept, and hope including these characters in a summer blockbuster type film will help introduce them to a larger audience and breed familiarity with Moore’s work.

I will say, however, that I intensely dislike the 2nd series of LOEG. Does anyone have any idea what in the world Moore is up to with this? There are so many great concepts touched on but on the whole… ick.

They did, by the way, touch on the fact that their Invisible Man was not *the* Invisible Man.

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By: Michael Crawford http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10552 Mon, 14 Jul 2003 21:37:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10552 I would say that while the movie was definitely “mainstreamed”, I still managed to enjoy it quite a bit. It doesn’t hurt that I love the concept, and hope including these characters in a summer blockbuster type film will help introduce them to a larger audience and breed familiarity with Moore’s work.

I will say, however, that I intensely dislike the 2nd series of LOEG. Does anyone have any idea what in the world Moore is up to with this? There are so many great concepts touched on but on the whole… ick.

They did, by the way, touch on the fact that their Invisible Man was not *the* Invisible Man.

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10551 Sun, 13 Jul 2003 01:59:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10551 I thought this was an interesting thing about LXG…

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By: john http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10550 Sun, 13 Jul 2003 00:46:08 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10550 According to a review in the Friday NY Times (no link, I read the paper version), “the invisible man” is referred to as “an invisible man” in the movie because of copywright issues.

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By: adamsj http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10549 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 20:31:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10549 Here‘s something I found via Boing Boing some time ago–a treatment by Alan Moore of Twilight, his proposed story of the ending days of the heroes of the DC Universe.

A quote from it which you’ll find interesting:

“As an aside, are Tarzan and Doc Savage in the public domain yet? No big deal, but I’d really like a sort of secret council of the immortals: Batman, the Shadow, Doc Savage and Tarzan, all planning to start the revolution that will rid Earth of the super-people forever.”

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By: Sujal Shah http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10548 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 19:11:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10548 The soundtrack for LOEG will be available directly from the record label, http://www.varesesarabande.com .

So, no, you don’t have to steal it.

I also do have to point out that the title of the post is misleading… I agree with other posters that there is nothing within the body of the post that clarifies who is financing/distributing the movie.

Sujal

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By: Jess Nevins http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10547 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:00:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10547 Never thought I’d ever have anything relevant to say here….

“Hawley” was Moore’s addition. The Invisible Man is only ever called “Griffin” in Wells’ original. The reason that Hawley Griffin is not appearing in LXG is not because of the Wells Estate but rather because the film rights to the Wells Invisible Man are still held by another studio, and so Sony had to come up with a new Invisible Man.

Moore plans to do at least one more League series, and talked seriously to me (when I interviewed him for my book on League) about doing three more League series. (Moore is retiring from “mainstream” comics, but he doesn’t consider League to be mainstream). Leagues v3-5 are going range in setting, but a number of them are going to be much closer to the modern day, from the Fifties to the present. And he’s going to have to go through a number of contortions to avoid problems with rights’ holders. So we can expect more nameless villains, ala League v1.

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By: Angela http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10546 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:37:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10546 Aha! Now I’m aware and am on the fence of seeing this flick. All I know is a video promo for this movie popped up on EVERY click on http://www.mp3.com. No idea this movie had a basis in other characters. Thought it was just a Sean Connery wannabe summer blockbuster.

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By: Eric Hughes http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10545 Wed, 09 Jul 2003 02:48:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10545 As much as I have enjoyed the original comics and as much as I don’t anticipate enjoying the movie particularly, the issues of artistic merit have nothing to do with the policy issues involved with access to the public domain. The public domain allowed Moore to work his usual magic. It also allowed the studio to add new characters and to derive their own interpretations of the same public domain characters. I like Moore and I dislike the studio, but so what?

Just as the first amendment protects speech you hate, the public domain protects the ability to make worthless art.

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By: Brad Brooks http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10544 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 21:35:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10544 �If I were Moore, I�d stop writing comic books right now.�

“He is. He�s leaving comics.”

Well, actually, he’s not leaving comics per se. He’s leaving mainstream comics. He’ll still write comics, just not superhero ones.

“What I find intriguing about this movie is the fact that if it�s true that Moore was in control of his work, why would he allow to produce a movie he said he hated.”

Because he knows that Hollywood doesn’t give a damn about the original work or the people who created it. They’re going to louse it up anyway, so why get an ulcer over it? The money from this and From Hell before it means that he can concentrate on doing work that actually means something other than just a paycheck at the end of it. It’s called playing the system – something Moore has become adept at.

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By: Damin J. Toell http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10543 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 20:50:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10543 Prof. Lessig says: “�walt disney creativity� refers not to a man, but to a kind of creativity. So I�m not saying Disney had anything to do with this film. But I am saying that this kind of creativity is the kind WALT engaged all the time.”

This was perhaps well-intentioned, but also apparently confusing. At least two other commenters thus far have questioned whether Disney will be enforcing copyrights in these characters as a result of LXG, presumably caused by your attribution of “walt disney creativity” to this film.

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By: Pete http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10542 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:27:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10542 What cracks me up is that the graphic novels really require readers to have at least a basic understanding of the original, public domain works to “get the jokes” while the movie’s being promoted so as to de-emphasize them. The GNs even make references to things like Lovecraft’s Dreamlands and the Cthulhu Mythos (public domain?) even though no characters or entities show up. I loved the graphic novels, but won’t be going to see the movie… what’s the point? The stuff that made it interesting has been surgically removed, which is bizarre since the success of the film will really hinge on the patronage of RPG fanfolk who giggle about stuff like this between D&D sessions.

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By: Karl http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10541 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:20:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10541 I collect soundtracks, and I love classical music, so I had intended to buy the LXG soundtrack. If I owned an Apple, or if there was a Windows (or Linux) version of iTunes, I’d most certainly buy it, but I don’t think I have any option other than to seek it out via P2P in the current scenario.

I applaud the attempt at a new business model. The physical media is hardly necessary these days, especially when people are just going to rip the music and burn it in the order they want, with the other songs they want to hear. But, I think they may have wanted to wait until the iTunes market was larger.

=kd

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By: Jon H http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10540 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:12:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10540 Karl writes: ” Am I right in assuming that this essentially means that anyone without an apple is forced to buy one or �steal� the music?”

My gut feeling is that they don’t really expect there to be much demand for the soundtrack, if any, so this won’t be a significant problem.

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By: Karl http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10539 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 19:03:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10539 Has anyone seen this story regarding the soundtrack?

According to the article, it won’t be produced on CD for the US market, and is only going to be available through the iTunes store. Am I right in assuming that this essentially means that anyone without an apple is forced to buy one or ‘steal’ the music?

-kd

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By: John http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10538 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:57:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10538 Phippy:

> so can I assume that since Disney has made a movie of these public domain characters, and that indeed the movie is
> copyrighted.�does that mean that other movie studios (or authors, or musicians, etc.) wanting to use, say the Mr. Hyde or
> Invisible Man character�would have to clear copyrights with Disney ?

They would have to obtain copyright clearance if they used any new story, plot, or character elements that were first introduced in LXG. That’s the original work of the filmmakers, and that’s what the copyright covers.

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By: Laura http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10537 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 18:21:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10537 “If I were Moore, I�d stop writing comic books right now.”

He is. He’s leaving comics. And those of us who liked the original League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comic book are cringing in horror at this movie adaptation, as it seems to go completely against the spirit of the original, which was to put these characters into different situations and see how they reacted, not to change the characters to fit the movie (Mina Harker a vampire?? please.) In addition, Dorian Gray and Tom Sawyer were both added to the line-up for no apparent reason (as Moore himself said, what is Dorian Gray’s ability? He doesn’t grow any older. Boring).

While I like the implications of support for the public domain in the movie, I can already tell you that the graphic novel contained a far better argument. You all ought to go check it out, by the way. It’s quite excellent. The second volume, which has five issues published, is the first comic book that ever made me want to clean my eyeballs with a brillo pad though.

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By: phippy http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10536 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 15:31:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10536 Someone humor me a response….this may be a dumb question:

so can I assume that since Disney has made a movie of these public domain characters, and that indeed the movie is copyrighted….does that mean that other movie studios (or authors, or musicians, etc.) wanting to use, say the Mr. Hyde or Invisible Man character…would have to clear copyrights with Disney ? Does Disney now “own” the rights to these characters ?

I’m understanding that characters from Grimm stories are now ‘owned’ by Disney, in a similar way, yes ? (sleeping beauty, cinderella, etc.)

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By: rp http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10535 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 13:41:30 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10535 HG Wells died in 1946. Am I correct in assuming that his body of work will not enter the public domain until 2016? (unless Congress acts again before then, that is)

Is changing the (not commonly known) name of an obvious character (The Invisible Man) sufficient to avoid copyright infringment issues?

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By: Jozef http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10534 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 12:43:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10534 If I were Moore, I’d stop writing comic books right now. Following up on what icoaste said, I’d like to point out another instances of the movie being “dumbed down” for general US audiences.

First, the original comic had a slightly different lineup. The group was led by a woman, Mina Murray Harker, and Quatermain, Jekyll/Hyde, Griffin and Nemo are the underlings. There’s no Tom Sawyer and Dorian Gray, which were presumably added to make the characters more familiar to US audiences.

What I find intriguing about this movie is the fact that if it’s true that Moore was in control of his work, why would he allow to produce a movie he said he hated.

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By: Lessig http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10533 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:57:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10533 “walt disney creativity” refers not to a man, but to a kind of creativity. So I’m not saying Disney had anything to do with this film. But I am saying that this kind of creativity is the kind WALT engaged all the time.

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By: RhiannonStone http://www.lessig.org/2012/11/an-unusually-partisan-truth-we-need-the-courage-to-tell-4/#comment-10532 Tue, 08 Jul 2003 11:18:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2003/07/lxg_more_walt_disney_creativit.html#comment-10532 The Invisible Man’s name was Hawley Griffin in both the Wells novel and the original League of Extraordinary Gentlemen comics. I have read over at upcomingmovies.com that there were “copyright issues with the H. G. Wells estate” that led to the name change to Rodney Skinner.

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