Comments on: Wikipedians: Please vote (by May 3) http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/ Blog, news, books Fri, 20 Oct 2017 08:26:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Taran Rampersad http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-543 Thu, 07 May 2009 14:41:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-543 Had my main system not crashed some days ago, I probably would have responded in time.

You know, the idea of Wikipedia and use of the Creative Commons license makes a lot of sense – it’s something I’ve advocated quite a bit in the past. But the truth is that the content licensing is really the least of Wikipedia’s problems: The administrative bias makes the licensing moot for anyone who doesn’t agree with the administrative bias. While copyright and Law have their place in Culture – a point that you make adamantly at almost every turn – Culture isn’t just electronic, and grandfathering in CultureS to the electronic age requires a level of thinking that transcends Wikipedia’s administration. They’re hardly representative of the international community.

Thus, years ago, I stopped editing. And years later, I don’t care too much about what happens to Wikipedia – but what I do care about is the rewriting of Cultures under a license which is grossly more effective. Because of that, I would have voted against Creative Commons use on Wikipedia: Making something biased even more viral is a slight to cultures around the world – even Wikipedia culture. But they haven’t figured that out yet. By the time they do, it may be too late.

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By: Gregory Kohs http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-542 Mon, 04 May 2009 10:38:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-542 @Lessig: You say, “The license A created content under explicitly allowed for relicensing under subsequent versions of that license.”

The license that applied to content created by Person A said: “Such new versions will be similar in spirit to the present version…” I have deep doubts about whether a CC license is “similar in spirit” to the GFDL license. I guess the argument here is just how thick is the weave of wool that’s being pulled over Person A’s eyes.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-541 Sun, 03 May 2009 19:06:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-541 and kids, it’s true that Wikipedians are “A Bunch of Nobodies” and I would suggest you find someone else to hang out with. True, Wikipedian nobodies are better than gang members or drug addicts, but you can do better.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-540 Sun, 03 May 2009 19:04:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-540 on Book TV, the author of:

The Wikipedia Revolution: How a Bunch of Nobodies Created the World’s Greatest Encyclopedia

http://www.booktv.org/program.aspx?ProgramId=10371&SectionName=Politics&PlayMedia=No

expressed highly negative views of the process where someone (Lessig?) set up the process (Change from license A to B, with terms of B designed to allow license C).

I don’t know or care enough about the details of each license, but having Wikipedia show license on each page would benefit CC, and Lesig has an interest.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-539 Sun, 03 May 2009 00:30:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-539 I thought in the Wikipedia (fantasy) world, VOTING IS EVIL and the great gurus reach consensus with a neutral point of view.

If you were really into FREE culture, you would put it in the public domain so anyone could use it for commercial books/pamphlets/websites… , but “free” culture is really mandatory zero pay (socialism) culture.

And I would suggest wasting your time on some other multiplayer game than the game of Wikipedia, where you don’t confuse reality with fantasy.

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By: normalityrelief http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-538 Sat, 02 May 2009 19:17:23 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-538 Done. I’m so pleased to hear this is something that’s even on the table. Of course, I suppose just being pleased that it’s being considered is an indication of how I tend to see the popularity of free culture…I sincerely hope I’m wrong.

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By: lessig http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-537 Sat, 02 May 2009 05:11:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-537 @Kohs: The license A created content under explicitly allowed for relicensing under subsequent versions of that license. The current version of the GFDL permit (in some cases) relicensing under the (effectively equivalent) CC-BY-SA.

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By: Gregory Kohs http://www.lessig.org/2009/05/wikipedians-please-vote-by-may/#comment-536 Sat, 02 May 2009 00:31:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2009/05/wikipedians_please_vote_by_may.html#comment-536 I’m sorry, but I don’t understand how person A creates content and releases it under the terms of a specific license, but then persons B, C, and D can come along, have a “vote”, then decide that person A’s work is going to be re-licensed under new terms.

Not only does that sound illegal to me, but immoral.

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