Comments on: Winning Tuesday: An urgent plea to Obama supporters http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/ Blog, news, books Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Mike http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3551 Mon, 10 Nov 2008 12:33:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3551 “It’s too late now, America. You’re DEAD right off the map of history, and FORGOTTEN. That prick evil bastard of all evil bastards fooled you and now you are a dead nigger country to the rest of us.”

Is this the caliber of people who vote Republican? America, you made the right choice. Good for you!

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By: Valerie Dunbar Jones http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3550 Fri, 07 Nov 2008 02:56:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3550 LOL!

Professor, of all things, THIS is not the one that will mark you as “weird.” ;0
Thank you, God bless you, God bless Barack Obama, and God bless America.

Valerie Dunbar Jones
UChiLaw ’98

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By: Mindy http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3549 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:35:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3549 Lessig,

if you ever get to this message–thanks for expressing your fears. we have been complacent and hesitant to speak too loudly about candidates in the past, because of the ability to see both sides, and we’ve lost. this election, yesterday, and last night, people put their passions out there, and we won.

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By: Eli http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3548 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:50:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3548 The United States and, indeed, the entire world is unbelievably fortunate that your fears here were unfounded. Thank you for everything you’ve done to make tonight possible.

You’ve had some role in the Obama Campaign. Can you tell us whether or not or to what degree you will be involved in the Obama Administration?

The Obama Administration. That has a nice ring to it, doesn’t it?

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By: A. Michael Bussek http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3547 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 10:40:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3547 Democracy won – and so did Elected President Barack Obama.

This have been some exciting weeks indeed, for everybody. Record numbers of voters have beaten the Republican friends, and we shall hope that everything stays peaceful.

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By: Planet Earth http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3546 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 09:56:07 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3546 It’s too late now, america. You’re DEAD right off the map of history, and FORGOTTEN. That prick evil bastard of all evil bastards fooled you and now you are a dead nigger country to the rest of us. Say good bye, dead fuckerssssssssssss……………. !

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By: TJ http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3545 Wed, 05 Nov 2008 04:02:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3545 Thanks, Larry. Thank you America for selecting a black candidate for the US presidency.

I’m still amazed. I grew up in the Civil Rights era; I watched Martin’s ‘dream’ speech live. As a white kid, I deeply felt the pain that ALL non-white minorities in this country suffered in those Cold War days … bigotry and darkness everywhere.

We have seen the light. We are becoming the light, if we choose to be. I’m celebrating already today. Whatever follows, we’ve taken a big step in gaining back some credibility in the rest of the world.

If you’re under 30 and voted: thank you. Thank you, thank you for grabbing the torch. You’ll remember today with pride. We shall overcome.

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By: Sneeje http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3544 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 20:24:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3544 Wow, I could have sworn this was written by a religious zealot. Maybe a bit harsh, but you had me until “We Democrats”. Larry, I respect your point of view, but mainly because it generally does not succumb to group think. The “change” I want, however, is a change away from policies driven by a particular ideology to policies right for people and for prosperity. The labels “democrat” and “republican” very quickly get in the way of that. That is why in 2008 we still have cars that get 20 mpg and the car companies think that’s a huge achievement. That’s why we keep sticking our heads in the sand about the looming social security/medicare crisis.

FWIW, I checked the Obama box today…but not because he is a Democrat.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3543 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 18:25:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3543 fivethirtyeight.com (the polling data analysis site) has Obama at a win probability of 98.1%+

The statistical methodology this is 98% estimate is based on ASSUMES that the past polling randomness WILL be true this time.

This same methodology predicted that since housing prices have never declined nationwide (since the great depression), housing prices will not decline.

The problem is that in this election, there is a slight chance (more than 2% in my opinion) that because of the heated debate, McCain supports may decline to be polled OR the last minute attacks on untested Obama may stick OR a few percent of Obama supporters reading the 98% estimate may not bother to vote if it’s a done deal.

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By: Seth Finkelstein http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3542 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3542 fivethirtyeight.com (the polling data analysis site) has Obama at a win probability of 98.1%+ with projected 346.5 electoral votes.

Anyway, doing my bit, I wrote a blog post where I endorse Barack Obama

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By: Phill http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3541 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:25:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3541 The reason for Obama’s apparent drop in some places is a GOP pac is running Jeremiah Wright commercials 24×7 and then he comes out against prop 8 in California on MTV over the weekend.

The thing that the Democratic party needs know to the core of their being is that the independent swing voters that everyone talks about are largely *disenfranchised* republican voters (see 11/3 pbs newshour) that probably need health care or their 401k back. Couple that with every Black (statistically 100%) will be voting for Obama. That is what making up Obama’s 7 point lead. I suppose their are a few that see the numerous McCain gaffes (or maybe that he doesn’t use email) as intolerable or don’t think Palin was a bright choice (Colin Powell).

Really, this **still** is a red state conservative nation swinging blue over eight years of what appears to be mismanagement if not malfeasance. The fact that this election is not an outright landslide needs to be etched in the consciousness of democrats. Oh, and it took a vast and smartly organized Obama campaign to make it so.

If circumstances had been slightly different, with a different GOP candidate or VP choice even, things could *easily* be very different.

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By: Dave http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3540 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 13:09:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3540 Yes, there are plenty of problems, yes the machines are suspect (whether due to fraud, or just everyday incompetence, cost cutting, and “we have to ship today, so they’re done”). So it’s got to be a big enough win so machine problems won’t affect the outcome. No, Obama isn’t a saint. I don’t know if he will be an exceptional president, or just an average one. But it doesn’t really matter. For the past 8 years, we have been sliding into the morass. It’s not just the economy, that’s incompetence, maybe coupled with bad luck. It’s the corruption, the use of government power for naked partisan and personal gain, the destruction of our liberties, the stacking of courts and agencies with loyal party members. I don’t know if Obama can reverse all that in 4 years, 8 years. It’s much harder to put things back together than it is to break them in the first place. We’ve only got one chance to try. Sixteen hours, give or take. Make it count.

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By: Peter http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3539 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:20:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3539 Mark,

Regarding e-voting machines: yes, it is a problem…a big non-partisan problem. But right *now* the best way to make that problem irrelevant is by a landslide. Even rigged machines and other forms of corruption stand little chance of defeating a landslide. It’s important to get out and vote no matter what the polls say, no matter what state you live in.

Don’t let losing faith in the system translate to losing faith in democracy.

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By: hannah friedman http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3538 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 12:17:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3538 On this the eve of the election, I’d like to capture my thoughts before America either elects a president who its first 26 presidents could have legally owned, or brazenly subverts the very ideals it was founded upon by manipulating numbers in a final embarrassingly overt goosestep towards corporate totalitarianism.

I am nervous. And not night-before-the-swim-test nervous or even night-you-lose-your-virginity nervous, it’s a low rumbling primal panic which I can only liken to Star Wars panic. Disney panic. The edge-of-your-seat-terror that makes you wonder if Skywalker’s doomed after he refuses to join Darth Vader and drops down into the abyss, if the wicked octopus or grand vizier or steroid-pumping-village-misogynist is going to wed/kill/skin the dashing prince and then evil people in dark funny costumes are going to take over the world… if it wasn’t a movie of course.

And tonight it’s not. It’s not a movie and yet I feel like Obama might as well be wearing an American flag cape while a decaying McCain, in a high-tech robotic spider wheelchair wearing an eyepatch and stroking an evil cat, gives orders to a sexy scheming Palin who marches back and forth through their sub-terranian campaign lair in four inch thigh-highs and full-body black leather catsuit bossing around the evangelical ants with a loooooong whip… umm… is this just me?

Anyway, the point is that things feel weird folks. I have friends who have peed in waterbottles to keep from interrupting a Halo-playing marathon who got off their asses/couches to volunteer for the Obama campaign not once, but many times. Friends so cheap their body content is at least 1/3 Ramen Noodle who donated a good deal of their hard-earned cash to the campaign. People have registered to vote in record numbers, and yet, something just doesn’t feel right. I think we should stop congratulating ourselves for just voting. To vote is a privilege which people have died for, and I think there’s a whole lot more to be done for the country than to simply help win an election every 4 years.

Hundreds of millions of dollars, hundreds of thousands of man-hours spent on both sides by good-intentioned people who want to make a difference in an historic election, so many resources and voices and energies devoted to a single day. After tomorrow, half of that is going to have been a waste. And I can’t help but wonder what could have happened if all that muscle had been put towards something else, and what will happen to its momentum after the election has come and gone. Shouldn’t we be donating our money to good causes whenever we can? Helping people who don’t have? Dedicating some of our time to contribute to making the country which provides for us a better place? Of course a power shift is a hugely significant step on the path to great reform, but worrying about this election has been a wakeup call for me:

Even if Obama wins, we have not “won.” This isn’t a movie and we can’t toss every greedy lobbyist oil fatcat bigot down a reactor shaft. I think if we dedicate ourselves to the ongoing welfare of the country as much as we have to the outcome of this election, we’ll have a much better shot at coming closer to the overwhelming good the liberals hope Obama will usher in, but which no mere mortal could fully realize alone.

Which brings me to the other side. I’ve heard a lot of people claim that if McCain wins, they’re leaving. I heard the same thing about Bush’s reelection, and his unelection before that, and nobody seems to be leaving. And that’s fine. Because as much as I complain about certain political happenings, atrocities, etc., I really do like it here and I suspect most other people do too. We have New York and Hollywood, purple mountain’s majesty and sea to shining sea, we created jazz and country music and baseball and cars and lightbulbs and computers and that movie with hundreds of animated singing Chihuahuas! I mean who among the shivering Plymouth pilgrims ever imagined ordering hundreds of animated singing chihuahuas onto a magical box from an invisible information superweb?

The point being, if things don’t turn out the way I want tomorrow, I feel compelled, as a college-graduated adultish-type-person, to take a stand. And if I’m going to leave I’m going to leave. But if I’m going to stay I’m not going to sit around whining like I have for the past 8 years. It’s like when I don’t clean my room because it’s dirty and then I blame the dirt. So in my very indecisive way, before you and your screen, I’m declaring my intention to make some kind of stand in the event of -(Ican’tevensayit)-, and encouraging you to consider making one too…

Jump the ship or grab a bucket?
-Sigh-
Wasn’t everything so much easier back when the worst possible affront to your values was a PB&J sandwich cut diagonally with crust?

Anyways, I guess what I’m saying is that if we’re going to stay on board, we should probably be generous with our time and resources when times are tough even more than when the hero saves the day. Because what if he doesn’t? And what if he can’t?

Yours Nervously,
Hannah Friedman
http://www.writinghannah.blogspot.com

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By: Ward http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3537 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 11:28:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3537 Not sure where you got that graphic, but check Pollster.com. They gather multiple polls and present it with nice graphics. So, checkit: http://www.pollster.com/polls/2008president/

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By: Mark http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3536 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:31:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3536 I know you have devoted the last few years to raise awareness about ways that the machinery of democracy is “broken”, and needs to be fixed. On a related note, the thing that troubles me the most about the election tomorrow is I worry that in a more literal sense the “machines” of democracy, aka, the electronic voting machines, are broken.

Every programmer will tell you that these machines are easily hacked, and that it’s only a matter of time until an election result is changed — and no one will ever know for sure because there will be no evidence. Would you drive over a bridge when every engineer tells you it’s extremely likely to fall apart?

I still find myself wondering whether something fishy happened in Ohio in 2004. The results differed from polling data to a degree that defied statistics.

Honestly, I’ve lost faith in the system. If we can’t trust the results of our elections, everything about our democracy seems suspect. Fixing voting technology should be a top priority, and it saddens me that it isn’t.

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By: Mike Levens http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3535 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:19:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3535 @Rob: Do you have an argument to present, or just some slogans?

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By: Rob Elliott http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3534 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:41:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3534 Yes, you lost all credibility with me also. Look beyond the hype and see through the money. He wins in the battle of campaigns and media. But has nothing in the areas of true love for country, democracy, and selfless service. Its all about him, and not really about our country. America will ultimately see through this smokescreen and welcome a true leader to office on Tuesday. Democracy, like markets, over the long term are self-correcting and efficient. Americans will not be fooled. Follow the money… not the hype.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3533 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:26:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3533 It might be an uphill battle to convince people Obama is the real deal. I would be happy with a competent fast Eddie.

It’s much easier to persuade people that they just should vote (for anyone) and choosing the people by demographics or your social networks who are likely to vote your way.

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By: puhlease http://www.lessig.org/2008/11/winning-tuesday-an-urgent-plea/#comment-3532 Tue, 04 Nov 2008 09:17:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/11/winning_tuesday_an_urgent_plea.html#comment-3532 please, Lessig you lost all credibility when you overlooked obama’s lie about public financing: the end don’t justify the means

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