Comments on: Self-Swiftboating http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/ Blog, news, books Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: robbep http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12624 Mon, 14 Jul 2008 00:54:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12624 What the Obama people dont seem to get is that Obama’s brand has been damaged by his shifting positions. Once he starts to look like your typical politician he loses his advantage as a candidate of change. His vote on FISA was more than a change of position, it revealed a lack of character and principles. I will still vote for him over McCain but I have lost all enthusiasm for his candidacy. Obama seems to be a person who does what is in his political interest irregardless of how it affects those around him. He had no regard for the millions of supporters who asked him to honor his word and fillibuster FISA, the only thing he saw was how his vote on FISA gave him a perceived advantage. The people around him who convinced him to change his position on this and other issues have done him a great disservice but he is primarily responsible for it. As much as I disagreed with Bush you have to admire him for sticking up for what he and his supporters believed in. Obama does not appear to be this kind of man. Which makes me me wonder if Obama is elected (which i doubt) will he be able to get anything done on issues like health care, education and health care. These issues will take some compromise but it will need a leader with a firm committment to make change. So far I have not seen it in him.

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By: Vectorpedia (Rick) http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12623 Sat, 12 Jul 2008 05:08:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12623 I think we will see selfswiftboating from both of the political parties…….its the sign of the times

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By: TMack http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12622 Fri, 11 Jul 2008 05:47:58 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12622 What do you mean by “swiftboating”?
John Kerry promised twice to release ALL military records to Tim Russert on MTP, and twice broke that promise. Actually it is obvious he was lying to begin with.
T. Boone Pickens offered a million dollars to anyone who could prove the swiftboaters lied.
If they did, why does T. Boone still have the million?
Kerry lied about being in Cambodia. He lied about throwing his medals over the fence at the Pentagon or the White House.
So Larry why do you use the term “swiftboating” when its meaning is based on lies?

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By: anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12621 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 18:31:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12621 “Obama is just another calculating, unprincipled politician.”

That is a fact!

Some of us who’ve had the tremendous misfortune of having Flip-Flop-Orama “representing” (loosest sense possible) us in the Senate tried warning all you gullible “believers” that you were drinking the kool-aid. Anyone who ever called Flip-Flop Orama’s senate office and was told they didn’t know how he was voting on bills that day such as Funding Iraq, Patriot Act, previous attempts at retroactive immunity, etc. because he had his finger sticking in the wind or planned to vote with the Rethuglicans know that he’s a smooth talking con-artist politico who’s been posing for the presidency since day one of his senate term.

Sooner or later it’s not fun saying “I told you so.” This sudden realization by the “believers” that they were sold snake oil by Flip-Flop-Orama is too little too late.

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By: Piper Davenport http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12620 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 17:26:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12620 I had applied to be a Barack Obama Fellow and was denied. Instead of choosing me, they conveniently chose another fat black woman in my place. One that had the “right” opinion. Now, it may have been a blessing in disguise that I wasn’t chosen. Also, the way things are going from a political standpoint, I wouldn’t want to be any politician that sells out the people who elect them to buy their own future. As Pluto continues its transit through Capricorn, I guarantee you that these same politicians that have sold out will eventually see the errors of their ways because the price will have been too high. I also would pay attention to the years 2016-2017, especially if we don’t pull out of the Iraq War soon. That year, Pluto transits the U.S. 2nd house of finances.

We live in scary times and I hope Barack Obama realizes the mess he’s about to inherit and doesn’t give up his core values because I’m afraid that he’s being built up to be used as a scapegoat.

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By: Chiaroscuro http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12619 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 11:33:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12619 Given Obama’s shameful vote this afternoon, it matters not what’s in Obama’s heart, head or gut regarding this FISA bill. I can believe that the candidate and his advisors have been “struggling” with this issue, but I don’t think it’s difficult at all. It’s a very bad bill. Obama knows this. His advisors know this. The only struggle they’ve had is with how to spin his cave-in.

Obama has, with his FISA vote, managed to deal a potentially mortal blow not only to his claim to be a different sort of politician but also to his other big claim for deserving high office — his judgment.

This vote calls into real question his judgment regarding the powers of the executive, the meaning of the Constitution, the consequences of one’s actions and his reading of the electorate. It calls into question his judgment on what’s politically possible for a real leader.

It also begs the question: Is there any issue, any principle, on which Obama is not prepared to compromise? If the Constitution isn’t enough — especially to a teacher of Constitutional law — to finally convince him to make a fighting stand, then what is?

Will Obama nominate Alito and Roberts clones because he’d rather not fight to get a progressive SCOTUS nominee through? Will his Iraq withdrawal timetable grind to a halt because he’s suddenly been persuaded that there are many “safety” reasons to linger near the oil wells or the Iranian border? After all, it should be relatively easier to play the bait and switch once he’s in the White House, especially since he’s already built a lot of wiggle room into his Iraq withdrawal statements.

It seems that at Obama’s core, the only bedrock value is the importance of not standing for anything if it makes waves. Except, of course, if you’re standing against your own supporters in a vain attempt to get a few votes from the swing voters. And that’s another fundamental misreading of political reality. The swing voters, because they have no core beliefs, swing to the stronger partisan every time, like loose electrons to the stronger nucleus.

I was never a fan of either Clinton or Obama, but right now I’d rather have Clinton as our nominee. Obama, like too many superstars, is starting to believe his own hype. These days it seems as if he’s posing for Mount Rushmore and arranging lotteries for a few of the little people to attend his coronation in Denver.

If he continues like this, he will lose in November.

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By: Raphael http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12618 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 09:58:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12618 I believe you are completely right about Obama’s new dilemma: he has undermined his raison d’etre by supporting a cornerstone of Bush’s policies.Obama has consistently spoken in abstractions and sounds like an alternative thinker with a progressive character, but in reality, he is a pragmatist who is very much interested in compromise and upholds many core values. Those on the Left who imagine he is going to be an anti-war candidate are sorely mistaken because he will increase our military presence in other areas other than Iraq, such as Afghanistan. He may even embrace Bush’s doctrine of preemptive attack by going after terrorists havens in Pakistan. I think many people seized on Obama because of his criticism of Bush and his anti-war remarks. What they failed to realize was that Obama can say he is AGAINST the war while still saying that we need to stay in Iraq for at least two more years. McCain cannot keep the troops in Iraq for 100 years because he will be dead well before then. Obama and McCain can keep troops in Iraq for four more years–and I think they will after the oil companies made the deal with the Iraqi gov’t. In any case, Obama’s problem is his rhetoric will never match up with his actions. He speaks as an idealist, but he acts as a pragmatist. That is what disgusts me about him because he duped a lot of people. But his critics share some of the blame for believing his promises and for not examining his character.

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12617 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:32:29 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12617 FF: You might be right.

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By: Dr Zen http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12616 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 06:02:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12616 Sorry, I can’t understand how voting for the new FISA Bill would actually be doing the “right thing”. Also, I don’t agree that his campaign is run by a bunch of decent guys who are just making mistakes while trying to be upright. They were pretty sharp in the campaign, not above smearing Clinton or beating up bullshit into outrage. Still, it’s too much to expect you fanatics to abandon your messiah just yet. After all, he’s only given up the Fourth, and he’s gungho for the Second.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12615 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:38:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12615 Fingal:

“. . .who said that Obama was ‘not a politician?’ Sure he is, you don’t get elected if you don’t play the game. Nobody thought otherwise “

Duh, Lessig did.

Lessig:

“There are at least two views about what makes Obama so compelling. One that he happens to have the mix of positions on policy questions that best matches the public’s. The other that he is perceived by the public as “different,” and hence (given the public hates politicians so) someone the public can like, or more significantly, get enthusiastic about.

“I’m strongly in the second camp. It seems to me nothing more than consultant-think to imagine people choosing a President with a checklist of issues, finding the one to vote for the way they pick a place to vacation. It seems to me nothing less than obvious that people are passionate about Obama because he strikes them as a different kind of candidate — one that stands for his beliefs, that speaks clearly and directly, that can be trusted to stick by his beliefs, that says what he believes regardless. Such a creature, in most people’s minds, is’ “not a politician.’ Such a creature (i.e. “not a politician’) is what people want in a President.”

Get it now? “Not a politician.”

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12614 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 05:31:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12614 “I don’t know about Hawaii or Chicago, but if Barack Obama were driving in Los Angeles, he’d be just as likely to be pulled over for DWB as anyone who “[shares] the unique history of being the descendants of African slaves brought to the USA.” Quacks like a duck, that one. Do you really think that just because someone’s ancestors weren’t slaves, they escape anti-African racism in the US? That if Obama had just gotten up and said, “Hey, white folks, I’m not really black, I’m half-Kenyan!” that his popularity in rural Indiana would have been any better?”

This is the standard canard employed at this point in the argument. My point was not that Obama is not “black enough,” but that he isn’t “Black” (ie African American) at all. Lots of people might be subject to the racism of the LA police department (including Latinos, Pacific Islanders, and so forth), does that make them African American?. Why would you let white racists, who hate everyone who is not “100% white” according to their lights, define who is or isn’t an African American? In any event, I find these hypothetical and/or apocryphal storis about the “discriminaton” that Obama has supposedly endured in his life to be completely unpersuasive. Obama lived the life of a “little prince”: in Indonesia, he was the priveledged son of an American who worked for the US embassy and the step-son of an oil companay executive; he lived in a mansion with servants; and, for at least part of the time, went to a fancy, private Catholic school that catered exclusively to rich foereignors. In Hawaii, Obama lived with his white grandparents in a nice, single family house in a middle class neighborhood, and attended the most elite private school in the State. After that, he attended liberal Occidental College and Columbia University. You may not “know about Hawaii,” but it is the home of many, many mixed race people. There is not a shred of evidence that Obama ever encountered any racial discrimination there. Nor is there any evidence that he encountered any racial discrimination in college. In short, your claim about what would or wouldn’t happen to Obama in LA is completely irrelevant to his status as an African American. As for Obama’s lack of popularity in rural Indiana, did it ever occur to you that it might be based on his viewpoints, or his elitist attitude, or his association with Black racists? Would those same Indiana voters, who you have no problem smearing as “racists” without a hint of evidence, have been adverse to a Colin Powell candidacy? Or a Condoleeza Rice candidacy? Stop playing the race card! Especially here, where it’s not even germaine to the conversation.

“Are you offended by this usage because you are of African descent yourself? In my experience, I think it’s pretty loosely defined, and can mean a lot of things. An Italian-American is not supposed to be just off the boat from Italy, but I wouldn’t be very surprised to see the child of an Italian and an American referred to by that label. That kind of Italian-American might be very interested in the history of Italians in the US, without necessarily having an evil plan to enter politics and exploit the Italian vote.”

Again, if you actually knew anything about the matter, you would know that the issue of post-slavery immigrants from Africa was raised at the time the phrase “African American” was coined. Some people argued, as you are here, that the phrase would actually be more properly applied to these immigrants and their children, as is the phrase “Italian American.” But, this claim was rejected. For better or worse, the label “African American” was specifically limited to those Americans who could trace their ancestry to the slaves transported to the US from Africa. Again, the point was that this group of people, AND ONLY THIS GROUP OF PEOPLE, shared in the unique history of slavery, Jim Crow, persecution by the KKK, discrimination, segregation, and so on. And that this particular group of people had developed a unique and distinctive culture, complete with its own forms of speech, music, art, religious worship, family relationships, dance, etc., etc. None of this is to suggest that there is “anything wrong” with immigrants from Africa and their descendants; the point is merely that they do not share in this heritage, but, rather, have their own heritage and traditions. Typically, and contrary to what you say, these groups are usually known by their countries of origin, as in “Angolan American” or “Senegaleese American,” or “Kenyan American.” Unfortunately for Obama, he was abandoned by his father, and thus had little or no exposure to the Kenyan American side of his heritage. But, this misfortune does not justiy his wholesale apprporiation of another, completely distinct, culture, that, by birth, family history, and upbringing, he is simply not a part of.

“Do you know a lot of Obama’s “friends, family or schoolmates?”. . . what “evidence” would I expect to see, or expect the f, f, or s, to see, of an “identity cris[i]s?”

I do know that not one person has come forward to verify the “identity crises” that Obama claims he had, and, in high school, according to the AP:

“. . .friends and teammates said he didn’t appear to be discontented and always seemed to fit in.

“‘He never let that show, so maybe it was more of an internal struggle,’ said teammate Alan Lum, who now teaches at Punahou.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/02/06/AR2007020600075_2.html

In any event, the simplist explanation for Obama’s sudden embrace of an African American identity is the one I presented: that it would be useful, not to say essential, for him to navigate the identity politics of the South Side, where he planned to begin his political career.

This is a good example of the “Obama rules.” What other pol would be taken at his word in this kind of situation? A Clinton, a McCain, even a Bush, would be assumed to have done the expedient thing for reasons of. . .well, expediency. But because Obama merely asserts an alternate, face-saving explanation, one that, under your theory, can’t be falsified no matter what (absense of evidence is not evidence of absense, right?–how can I “prove” that Obama did not have an “identity crises”?), it must be the case. Give me a break!

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12613 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:59:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12613 FF, who said that Obama was “not a politician?” Sure he is, you don’t get elected if you don’t play the game. Nobody thought otherwise. What seemed to be the case until a couple weeks ago was that Obama was taking the approach of treating the voters like adults, rather than like morons. Apparently that’s out the window now, and it seems quite possible that he’ll go down in flames as a result.

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12612 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:53:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12612 Oh, and FF, I submit that you are merely posing as a cutesy-poo idiot. Good job, though. And shut up while you’re at it.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12611 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:50:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12611 The point about Alice Palmer, Fingal, as if you didn’t know, was that Obama acted like a typical politician when he used a petition challenge to remove her, and, by the way, all the other candidates, from the ballot–not merely that he refused to “fold his campaign”. Was it legal? Of course. Was Palmer all sweetness and light in this affair? Of course not. But, Obama acted like a typical politician, and, a typical Chicago politician at that, when he relied on election law technecalities, rather than the will of the voters (who might very well have preferred Palmer), to ensure his first election. That’s what “politicians” do, Fingal, they do whatever it takes to win elections, short of out and out lawbreaking that can be pinned on them.

This is all part of the public record, which, presumably, was available to Professor Lessig before he decided, for whatever reason, that Obama was, somehow, not a “politician.” Much the same could be said for the credit theft for the bills in the Illinois Senate. And for the mysterious “unsealing”: of the records of the divorce proceedings of not one, but two, of Obama’s opponents in the race for the US Senate seat. And, for all the sharp practices Obama engaged in during the nomination fight, including, but not limited to, the co-ordinated thuggish behavior of his supporters at the caucases and on the internet, and the whole Michigan-Florida affair.

No Fingal, and Professor, there is simply no evidence whatsoever that Obama is or was anything but a “politician,” and plenty of uncontested and uncontestable evidence directly to the contrary.

Finally Fingal, as for the “hostage taking” and all thebar room and the rest of, give it a rest, you are making yourself look stupid!

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12610 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:48:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12610 Obama is half white American and half Kenyan-American, he is no part “African American,” as that term is normally used.

I don’t know about Hawaii or Chicago, but if Barack Obama were driving in Los Angeles, he’d be just as likely to be pulled over for DWB as anyone who “[shares] the unique history of being the descendants of African slaves brought to the USA.” Quacks like a duck, that one. Do you really think that just because someone’s ancestors weren’t slaves, they escape anti-African racism in the US? That if Obama had just gotten up and said, “Hey, white folks, I’m not really black, I’m half-Kenyan!” that his popularity in rural Indiana would have been any better?

Are you offended by this usage because you are of African descent yourself? In my experience, I think it’s pretty loosely defined, and can mean a lot of things. An Italian-American is not supposed to be just off the boat from Italy, but I wouldn’t be very surprised to see the child of an Italian and an American referred to by that label. That kind of Italian-American might be very interested in the history of Italians in the US, without necessarily having an evil plan to enter politics and exploit the Italian vote.

Do you know a lot of Obama’s “friends, family or schoolmates?” If I “knew anything about the topic,” what “evidence” would I expect to see, or expect the f, f, or s, to see, of an “identity cris[i]s?”

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12609 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 04:23:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12609 @FF: again, examine Obama’s career. Hasn’t he acted the part of the politician from the get go?

That is, of course, your assertion, but the only support you provide for it is your evident strong belief.

ask Alice Palmer if you don’t believe me.

I don’t know Alice Palmer, and I have no reason to believe she’d even take my phone call, so I can’t exactly ask her. I’ve read about that election and it doesn’t surprise me that some Palmer supporters are pissed, but I don’t see what qualifies as outrageous. She asked him to run for her seat so she could run in another election, then she got clobbered, and wanted Obama to fold his campaign. In other words, she gave him something, then wanted it back, and he said no. He said that after having geared up a campaign. Had that “unless I lose” case been arranged beforehand, you might have a point, but is there any evidence of that?

Spare me your cutes-poo “submissions” and anwer those simple questions. Or shut up.

Whoa-ho!, hit a nerve there, huh?! Look, you want to get aggressive, why don’t you go out to a bar and pick a fight? Or take some hostages.

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By: Thucydides Junior http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12608 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 03:32:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12608 I find this thread very interesting, but please do not call this FISA bill a compromise; it was a capitulation to all the White House wanted and more. Rep. Senator Kit Bond has said so publicly. Fingal’s first paragraph is pretty accurate to me.

And it is a major issue, as it both excuses and allows warrantless surveillance of Americans by their government. Our government seems to still in in 9/11 mode, as Rick above points out. I think that he (poster Rick) has some very good and useful points.

However, Obama, as the presumptive leader of our party, should vote for principle even if success is unlikely. Had he done that of this abominable bill, his coalition would be stronger now, rather than weaker. I am quite certain of that indeed.

I would take a simultaneous behavioral approach to Rick’s activist one. Instead of yelling when politicians don’t do what we think they should, ignore them. Withhold money or volunteers for a certain period of time. Don’t pass on their news releases for a week. Don’t show up at their events. Delay an endorsement. Organize a group response, or work with other groups so that the silence and inaction is very noticeable.

Politicians love attention, need money and like to be honored. Refuse those as a group. Conversely, praise them to high heaven when they do something right. Fill coffers. Volunteer. But, unlike our dear politicians, Be Consistent in your reactions to the candidate.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12607 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 02:13:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12607 Oh, and as for Obama’s “race.” It is really quite simple. He presents himself as an African American, but he isn’t one. Neither of Obama’s parents were African Americans, and Obama was raised by his white mother and white grandparents. Obama does not share the history of enslavement, trans-oceanic transportation, Jim Crow segregation, discrimination, etc, nor the cultural, literary,artistic, religous, linguistic or other heritage of African Americans. Obama was not raised in an African American milleau, family or neighborhood. Nor did he attend African American churches or schools. Obama is half white American and half Kenyan-American, he is no part “African American,” as that term is normally used.

In fact, if you knew anything about the topic, you would know that the term “African American” was coined specifically to differentiate between any people anywhere in the world who happened to have dark skin (Aficans, Aboriginal Australians, etc.) and the distinct sub-set of those peoples who shared the unique history of being the descendants of African slaves brought to the USA. Obama does not share that history. He is simply not an African American, not by birth, not by family history and not by upbringing.

Obama has pretended to be an African American only since his arrival in Chjcago, when he was already a college graduate in his 20′s. He joined an Afro-centric church and married an African American woman. Obviously, he did this to cement his “identity politics” credentials because he was already planning to run for office from the South Side. His claims to the contrary, that his sudden embrace of an African American status was the result of some sort of “identity crises” is just too convenient to be believed. In additon, no one, not his friends, family or schoolmates, ever saw any evidence of this so-called “crises.”

It might not “PC” to say so, but it hardly shows that I am insane that I dare to point this out.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12606 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:56:22 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12606 To Fingal:

Whatever. Just explain to me why anyone of Professor Lessig’s intelligence ever had any reason to believe that Obama was anything other than a “politician.” Because Obama’s campaign CLAIMED to represent “a new kind of politics?” Was that all it took? A simple self-serving assertion? Again, examine Obama’s career. Hasn’t he acted the part of the politician from the get go? Again, ask Alice Palmer if you don’t believe me.

Spare me your cutes-poo “submissions” and anwer those simple questions. Or shut up.

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12605 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:40:50 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12605 @freemansfarm: even his race is a fake

I recall hearing that, as a hostage taker, you have to put one really crazy demand in your list so they know you’re a lunatic who might do anything, and you need to be taken seriously. I submit that blog comments are a different context.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12604 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:25:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12604 What a fool you are! You thought Obama wasn’t a politiician? What did you think he was, Jesus on a stick? All Obama is or ever was is a politician. Was he a great lawyer? What are the famous precedents his cases set? Where are the great legal victories he won? Was he a great “community organizer?” Name one lasting, important improvement he made for the people of the community he was allegedly “organizing” for 2 and a half years? Was he a great “constitutional scholar?” Name one legal theory that he propsed. Shoot, name even one scholarly article or book that he wrote. The answers to all of these questions, obviously, are “no” and “none” and “there aren’t any.” Obama is famous for being the Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review. How do you think he got that position? Do you think the EIC is selected on grades, or by the faculty based on overall merit as a student? No, Obama was ELECTED to that position.

That’s what Obama does, he runs for office, and mostly, wins. He’s a frickin’ politician, moron! Ask Alice Palmer whether Obama is a politician or not. Ask those other Black State Senators whose bills Obama was given the credit for when they became laws whether he is a politician or not. Ask Hillary if he is a politician.

Did you actually believe all that rhetoric about “hope” and “change” and “a different kind of politics?” Did you never hear of Deval Patrick? How about David Axelrod? You do know, don’t know, that all of those slogans, and most of Obama’s allegedly original turns of phrases, chants, and so forth, were all recycled from Axelrod’s campaign for Patrick?

To me, it’s amazing that a celebrated professor at the Stanford Law School, a person revered for his knowledge and intelligence, can be as easily fooled as the 14 year old morons at Daily Kos. You bought a pig in a poke, Larry. You fell for a slick speech, and a pre-packaged, and, mostly false, “inspiring life story.” You are an idiot.

And, don’t think for a minute its confined to FISA. Obama has backtracked, flip-flopped or otherwise “refined” his positions on Iraq on abortion on gun control on publc financing and on and on and on. And he will continue to do so. That’s because he’s a politician. And, far from being a “different kind” of one, he is the epitome of the stereotypical “say anything, do anything to win,” sleazy, slippery, use any tactic, thuggish Chicago politician.

He has no core, no center. Everything about the man is false. His “religion,” even his race is a fake. Obama has calculated every move, every shift, every single thing he has said and done, since he hit Chicago 25 years ago as a college grad with a lot of political ambition, but no roots, no core, no family, no real ties to the community, race, city, state, or even country he wanted to lead. He is the classic con man and egomaniac. The guy wrote 2 autobiographies before he was even 45 years old. Didn’t that raise a red flag for you, Lar? Do you know what narcism is, Prof?

And now, you are surprised that he put expediency ahead of principle? Forget for a minute whether Obama’s FISA, and all the other, sellouts are smart tactically or not. Reasonable people can reasonably disagree on that question. No, the real issue is whether Obama ever had a shred of integrity to betray in the first place. You seem to think he did. Why? What evidence is there that Obama has ever been concerned about anything other than his own meteroic rise to power? His supposed acts of altruism (community organizer, “civil rights lawyer”. voter registration drive leader) were clearly calibrated to provide a base for the political campaigns he was already planning.

Obama is, and always has been, concerned with one thing only: moving up the ladderof power to the top spot as quickly as possible. Everything else is pablum for the kiddies, and, apparently, Stanford Law professors.,

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12603 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:24:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12603 What a fool you are! You thought Obama wasn’t a politiician? What did you think he was, Jesus on a stick? All Obama is or ever was is a politician. Was he a great lawyer? What are the famous precedents his cases set? Where are the great legal victories he won? Was he a great “community organizer?” Name one lasting, important improvement he made for the people of the community he was allegedly “organizing” for 2 and a half years? Was he a great “constitutional scholar?” Name one legal theory that he propsed. Shoot, name even one scholarly article or book that he wrote. The answers to all of these questions, obviously, are “no” and “none” and “there aren’t any.” Obama is famous for being the Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review. How do you think he got that position? Do you think the EIC is selected on grades, or by the faculty based on overall merit as a student? No, Obama was ELECTED to that position.

That’s what Obama does, he runs for office, and mostly, wins. He’s a frickin’ politician, moron! Ask Alice Palmer whether Obama is a politician or not. Ask those other Black State Senators whose bills Obama was given the credit for when they became laws whether he is a politician or not. Ask Hillary if he is a politician.

Did you actually believe all that rhetoric about “hope” and “change” and “a different kind of politics?” Did you never hear of Deval Patrick? How about David Axelrod? You do know, don’t know, that all of those slogans, and most of Obama’s allegedly original turns of phrases, chants, and so forth, were all recycled from Axelrod’s campaign for Patrick?

To me, it’s amazing that a celebrated professor at the Stanford Law School, a person revered for his knowledge and intelligence, can be as easily fooled as the 14 year old morons at Daily Kos. You bought a pig in a poke, Larry. You fell for a slick speech, and a pre-packaged, and, mostly false, “inspiring life story.” You are an idiot.

And, don’t think for a minute its confined to FISA. Obama has backtracked, flip-flopped or otherwise “refined” his positions on Iraq on abortion on gun control on publc financing and on and on and on. And he will continue to do so. That’s because he’s a politician. And, far from being a “different kind” of one, he is the epitome of the stereotypical “say anything, do anything to win,” sleazy, slippery, use any tactic, thuggish Chicago politician.

He has no core, no center. Everything about the man is false. His “religion,” even his race is a fake. Obama has calculated every move, every shift, every single thing he has said and done, since he hit Chicago 25 years ago as a college grad with a lot of political ambition, but no roots, no core, no family, no real ties to the community, race, city, state, or even country he wanted to lead. He is the classic con man and egomaniac. The guy wrote 2 autobiographies before he was even 45 years old. Didn’t that raise a red flag for you, Lar? Do you know what narcism is, Prof?

And now, you are surprised that he put expediency ahead of principle? Forget for a minute whether Obama’s FISA, and all the other, sellouts are smart tactically or not. Reasonable people can reasonably disagree on that question. No, the real issue is whether Obama ever had a shred of integrity to betray in the first place. You seem to think he did. Why? What evidence is there that Obama has ever been concerned about anything other than his own meteroic rise to power? His supposed acts of altruism (community organizer, “civil rights lawyer”. voter registration drive leader) were clearly calibrated to provide a base for the political campaigns he was already planning.

Obama is, and always has been, concerned with one thing only: moving up the ladderof power to the top spot as quickly as possible. Everything else is pablum for the kiddies, and, apparently, Stanford Law professors.,

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By: Michael F. Martin http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12602 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:24:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12602 @LB

But Michael F. Martin’s 5:12 PM description of a “leader” perfectly fits President Unitard, aka War Criminal-in-Chief Bush.

Have you considered that this might be why “President Unitard” was elected twice (okay at least once, and in the other instance, my theory is even more useful in explaining the result of the process)?

Have you considered that cultivating norms in which it’s perfectly fine to criticize a sitting President in derogatory terms is not good for the country? If so, could you explain to me why you think it’s beneficial to substitute name calling for reasoned argument?

All you’ve done is assert that if I’m correct, I’ve also explained why President Bush won both elections. But President Bush DID win both elections. So doesn’t that mean I’m more likely to be right?

Please think a little before dismissing my arguments or calling me names.

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By: freemansfarm http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12601 Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:23:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12601 What a fool you are! You thought Obama wasn’t a politiician? What did you think he was, Jesus on a stick? All Obama is or ever was is a politician. Was he a great lawyer? What are the famous precedents his cases set? Where are the great legal victories he won? Was he a great “community organizer?” Name one lasting, important improvement he made for the people of the community he was allegedly “organizing” for 2 and a half years? Was he a great “constitutional scholar?” Name one legal theory that he propsed. Shoot, name even one scholarly article or book that he wrote. The answers to all of these questions, obviously, are “no” and “none” and “there aren’t any.” Obama is famous for being the Editor in Chief of the Harvard Law Review. How do you think he got that position? Do you think the EIC is selected on grades, or by the faculty based on overall merit as a student? No, Obama was ELECTED to that position.

That’s what Obama does, he runs for office, and mostly, wins. He’s a frickin’ politician, moron! Ask Alice Palmer whether Obama is a politician or not. Ask those other Black State Senators whose bills Obama was given the credit for when they became laws whether he is a politician or not. Ask Hillary if he is a politician.

Did you actually believe all that rhetoric about “hope” and “change” and “a different kind of politics?” Did you never hear of Deval Patrick? How about David Axelrod? You do know, don’t know, that all of those slogans, and most of Obama’s allegedly original turns of phrases, chants, and so forth, were all recycled from Axelrod’s campaign for Patrick?

To me, it’s amazing that a celebrated professor at the Stanford Law School, a person revered for his knowledge and intelligence, can be as easily fooled as the 14 year old morons at Daily Kos. You bought a pig in a poke, Larry. You fell for a slick speech, and a pre-packaged, and, mostly false, “inspiring life story.” You are an idiot.

And, don’t think for a minute its confined to FISA. Obama has backtracked, flip-flopped or otherwise “refined” his positions on Iraq on abortion on gun control on publc financing and on and on and on. And he will continue to do so. That’s because he’s a politician. And, far from being a “different kind” of one, he is the epitome of the stereotypical “say anything, do anything to win,” sleazy, slippery, use any tactic, thuggish Chicago politician.

He has no core, no center. Everything about the man is false. His “religion,” even his race is a fake. Obama has calculated every move, every shift, every single thing he has said and done, since he hit Chicago 25 years ago as a college grad with a lot of political ambition, but no roots, no core, no family, no real ties to the community, race, city, state, or even country he wanted to lead. He is the classic con man and egomaniac. The guy wrote 2 autobiographies before he was even 45 years old. Didn’t that raise a red flag for you, Lar? Do you know what narcism is, Prof?

And now, you are surprised that he put expediency ahead of principle? Forget for a minute whether Obama’s FISA, and all the other, sellouts are smart tactically or not. Reasonable people can reasonably disagree on that question. No, the real issue is whether Obama ever had a shred of integrity to betray in the first place. You seem to think he did. Why? What evidence is there that Obama has ever been concerned about anything other than his own meteroic rise to power? His supposed acts of altruism (community organizer, “civil rights lawyer”. voter registration drive leader) were clearly calibrated to provide a base for the political campaigns he was already planning.

Obama is, and always has been, concerned with one thing only: moving up the ladderof power to the top spot as quickly as possible. Everything else is pablum for the kiddies, and, apparently, Stanford Law professors.,

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By: Fingal http://www.lessig.org/2008/07/selfswiftboating/#comment-12600 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 23:49:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/07/selfswiftboating.html#comment-12600 Obama is not stupid enough to believe the current FISA bill is a “compromise.” There’s no need to argue the points of the bill in order to demonstrate this, because civil libertarians are apoplectic and Republicans are euphoric. That’s not what happens in a compromise. If the Republicans even cared about making it really *look* like a compromise, they’d find some way to whine and complain about some provision in it somewhere, but no, they’re just laughing as they strap on the sandpaper and have at the Fourth Amendment.

According to Obama, retroactive immunity was filibuster-able a few months ago, but now it’s not worth compromising “national security” in order to eliminate it. Or even delay it and make Bush go on record vetoing it. Suddenly national security demands, not secret court-issued warrants, not retroactively-granted warrants, but no warrants at all, ever, for wiretapping, if the current occupant of the Presidency authorizes the wiretap. What changed, Barack? When you campaigned in WI as a staunch ally of Russ Feingold, were you lying? If not, what is it that has changed since then? You were able to treat voters like adults all through primary season, and people responded by supporting you in huge numbers. What changed?

Barack Obama is not stupid enough to believe what he now says about the FISA bill, and if he wasn’t running a campaign that could show Dick Cheney a thing or two about dishonesty, what can be the explanation for his embrace of the nonsensical, the insult to intelligence?

Maybe, a couple of weeks ago, he found himself alone on an elevator, unaccompanied, suddenly, by the Secret Service. Two large men got in after him and stood so that he couldn’t see their faces. The two exchanged remarks with each other about a couple of children, where they went to school, what they did afterwards, their ages, the friends they hung out with, etc. And Obama realized they were talking about *his* children. Then the elevator stopped, the door opened, and the two big guys got off and disappeared into the crowd. The Secret Service agents ran up, apologized for getting separated, and stared blankly when Obama asked them about those guys they’d just seen get off the elevator. And the next day, Obama spoke in support of the “compromise.”

Melodramatic? Sure, but it makes more sense than the other explanations.

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