Comments on: Please give comments on a lessig.org/blog comment policy http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/ Blog, news, books Tue, 07 Feb 2017 10:07:49 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Air Max 2014 http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-47160 Tue, 17 Jun 2014 08:12:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-47160 The Dallas Mavericks are a reported suitor for Carmelo Anthony in the Cheap Nike Free Run free agency, and Dirk
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By: battery http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13247 Thu, 19 Jun 2008 08:03:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13247 […] The court said that copy protection violates private copying rights. (Hm. That last sentence just made me realize the oxymoronic nature of “copyright”, which is really “copynoright”. :P) This contradicts the European Copyright Directive, and the movie studio is likely to appeal. […]

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By: battery http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13246 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:53:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13246 It seems that the phone home feature was time limited and it doesn’t do that any more. Whether this means that the DOJ has backdoors in all common operating systems or just a way of adding secret scripts to PDF documents is unknown at this time.

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By: Scott Ellington http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13245 Thu, 24 Apr 2008 22:13:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13245 Rather than simply removing and entire objectionable comment, I suggest that the volunteer be empowered to strike-through or dim the objectionable elements, phrases, sentences, paragraphs…in order to maintain the integrity of the commenter’s communication, while transparently identifying its objectionable components.
Any editing process, though significantly more labor-intensive than simple deletion, more clearly identifies the practical parameters of objectionable commentary than anything else. Any TermsOfService guidelines (I think) should evolve from defensibly, evidential citation that simultaneously reveal the standards of the moderator/community.
Whether eminently on-target commentary should be highlighted (by means of the same editing process) is another suggestion I’d like to tender.

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By: Miami Dade Personal Injury Lawyer http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13244 Wed, 23 Apr 2008 21:23:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13244 I think it’s a good policy. Free speech is threatened when people feel that they cannot comment for fear of being personally attacked for their comments. I also like the fact that you are not so egotistical as to delete comments that are opposed to your viewpoints. This is the essence of freedom:

“I don’t agree with a word you say, but I’ll defend to the death your right to say it.” –Voltaire

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By: Anon http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13243 Mon, 21 Apr 2008 07:24:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13243 You should delete all comments, including those which attack you and your work, which are expressed in a fashion which a civil adult would not use when speaking face-to-face with another adult. Off-topic comments also get launched. That is, being on-topic is necessary but not sufficient for a comment to remain. Being civil is also necessary but not sufficient for a comment to remain.

Larry, there’s an adage which applies to hiring, that says: A-quality people hire A-quality people. B-quality people hire C-quality people. So you need to only make A hires, or your business is headed downhill.

In commenting, I’ve observed that A-quality comments attract A-quality comments. B-quality comments attract C-quality comments.

I’m an *old hand* at the internet discussion forum game, though I don’t care to list my name here. Your blog is already headed downhill as far as comments are concerned. If you want to maintain comment quality, you must prune rather ruthlessly. Now, nothing terrible will happen if you don’t. Your comment section won’t be any good, but then most comment sections aren’t, so yours won’t stand out. I don’t know that you actually want the hassle of maintaining a good comment section, it’s certainly harder than maintaining a bad one. But I’m telling you how, if you want to: if you want to maintain an actual GOOD comment section, one that literally *attracts* A-level commenters, you need to prune ruthlessly.

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By: Stephen Allison http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13242 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 05:21:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13242 I do believe it is first and foremost your editorial prerogative, but I respect your effort to ground those decisions in some of principle. if nothing else, demonstrating consistency of thought in all aspects of your work certainly seems good for the ‘Lessig’ brand.

Wishing you the ‘sort of place’ you’ve always wanted,
Stephen

p.s. Cameron F. is a flugtunker

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By: Richard http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13241 Sat, 19 Apr 2008 02:00:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13241 I communicated with Comcast thru E-Mail. I would like to copy and paste my comments to them and their response; if it’s ok.

This went to Comcast

First of all,you did not answer my question. (Why are you blocking me
from sending E-Mail attachments and/or photos)?

The second thing thats wrong is: You don’t read the incoming E-Mail or
you don’t understand what you are reading. Had you
been alert, you would have noticed that my concern is a Mac computer.
What you sent to me only applys to users who have
Internet Explorer running on Microsoft Windows.

If you will take the time to go to the Apple forum and type in,”E-Mail
Problems” you will see numerous folks complaining about
the same thing. The SMTP servers are BLOCKING people from sending
photos and/or attachments. I have tried your E-Mail
program and it does not work with uploading photos.

This was their response

hank you for taking the time to write us.

I am sorry for the confusion, Richard. We do not support MAC’s. Nor
does your email state whether you are using Mac Mail or if you are using
webmail to send the messages. Below is some of the restrictions placed
on our SMTP server. If you are not hitting these restrictions look to
the program you are using and/or the email address you are using to send
the messages from. For instance, are you using your comcast.net email
address or are you using a .mac email address to send these items.

I understand you have questions about the limitations that are set on
our SMTP servers. The limitations on our servers were put in place to
manage the amount of e-mail that is transmitted through it. This is done
as a means to stop spam and other unwanted e-mail from inconveniencing
our subscribers and slowing down mail delivery.

The following are restrictions placed on the SMTP servers to assist in
the elimination of spam from the Comcast mail servers:

* There is a maximum number of recipients that you can have in the To:,
Cc:, and Bcc: fields, a maximum number of times you can click Send per
minute, and a maximum amount of messages you can send at one time. Due
to security concerns, we cannot reveal the actual limitations as
disclosing these limits may allow persons running a spamming server to
spoof these limits and send mass e-mails.
* Once our mail server detects that multiple addresses in your To: field
do not exist, an error will be generated and the e-mail will not be sent
to any other recipients.

Comcast has established two levels of throttling to manage outbound
traffic, however we may place additional restrictions on the SMTP
servers as situations warrant:

If you attempt to send too many messages over one connection, you will
be required to end the connection and establish a new connection. When
this happens, you will receive the following error message: “450
requested action aborted: too many messages on a single connect”. In
most cases, you will send a single e-mail over one connection. For
example, in Outlook Express when you click Send/Receive to send a
message, one connection is established and one message is sent.

If a source IP attempts to make too many connections to the mail server
within a minute, there will be a “cool-off” period where you will lose
the ability to connect to the server to send more messages. When this
happens, the error message, “Too frequent connects from ,
please wait shortly” will show. You establish a connection every time
you hit “Send/Receive” in Outlook Express.

The size of your mailbox is 250 MB. Any e-mail you send or receive
including text, attachments, and header information must be less 10 MB
as that is the size limit for an individual e-mail. Since text, coding
information, along with header information adds about 35% to the size of
e-mail, I suggest you avoid sending or receiving an e-mail larger than
7.5 MB.

Thank you for the opportunity to assist you. If you need further
assistance with any of your Comcast services please reply to this email
and we will be happy to assist you. Thank you again for choosing
Comcast we appreciate your business. To visit our local support page
including links to contact us via Live Chat, as well as many
downloadable forms, and FAQ pages, please visit:http://www.comcast.com/nesupport/

Did you know that Comcast offers its customers a variety of free
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settings…plus much more, please visit http://www.comcast.net/downloads/
to see all of the extras that we provide.

Sincerely,
Stacy

Comcast Electronic Customer Care – New England

Thank you for making Comcast a part of your day.

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By: Cameron F. http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13240 Wed, 16 Apr 2008 07:47:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13240 First of all let me make a personal attack on all the others who have commented here. You’re all flugtunkers. Yes, that’s a made-up word, but it’s very offensive. Trust me.

I’m assuming that the new change in policy will not have retroactive effect and thus my above flugtunker insult will stand for the ages. Changing to a retroactive rule would, I think, reveal the good professor to be nothing other than a flugtunker himself.

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By: P. from Weston MA http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13239 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 22:40:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13239 I have another suggestion: How about deleting comments that make no sense or are off-topic?

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By: David http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13238 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:37:06 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13238 Larry, you ignorant slut! (sorry, I couldn’t resist the opportunity. 5 brownie points to anyone under 40 who knows the reference.)

What distinguishes personal attacks from well done sarcasm, satire or parody? It’s been a while since I read Dante’s Inferno (John Ciardi’s translation), but I recall that much of it consists upon attacks on contemporary Italians, usually deceased but not always, and their politics by placing them in various circles of Hell.

Referring to someone as a “m-f” is almost always abusive, but is it abusive if you refer to someone as “descended from a long line of maiden aunts,” a phrase which has been used both in literature and politics or perhaps use the Shakespearean “cream faced loon” (my personal favorite)? How important is civility even if impugning someone’s talents or abilities?

Is it abusive to say that someone is prostituting him/herself if you mean that you believe that s/he is expressing views motivated less by personal belief than by some type of external reward? I think that this description can be abusive, but not always.

What general guidelines are you considering?

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By: Jim http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13237 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 14:07:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13237 We all suspect that people who attack us, however uncivilly, might have something important to say to us. Our friends and relatives, who usually like us, flatter us to make us feel good.

The story goes that Frederick II stopped his coach when he saw an ugly caricature of himself posted on the side of the road. He got out and tore the poster down only to discover that it contained scurrilous lies about him too.

His companions expected the worst and looked at each other nervously. Frederick then handed the poster to one of his coachmen and ordered him to place the poster higher up so that passersby could better see it.

The coachman complied, Frederick II smiled approvingly, got back in the coach and ordered the party to drive on to their destination.

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By: Dave http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13236 Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:05:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13236 I don’t see any problem with the changes that you set out, and agree with others who say that you have no reason to feel defensive about it. For me, a general statement saying you reserve the right to remove posts you deem to be attacking or personal would be sufficient. Ultimately how you conduct yourself will speak more to how your actions are perceived than the policy you write.

As for the “free speech” argument, I don’t think that you have the responsibility to provide a forum for *anyone* to say *anything* they want at your expense. Any person in the world can sign up for a free web site at a number of services and say whatever it is they want. If what they have to say is compelling and important, they will garner readers, just as you have. If not, they will be ignored of their own merits. You are not obligated to provide a forum for behavior you find offensive.

In other words, it’s your house and you can ask folks to leave if they’re being rude.

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By: John http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13235 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 19:16:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13235 Hello,
Frankly speaking, I have looked through all the comments before expressing my own opinion on this issue. What I have observed in here is that many good ideas have been put forward and all of them have both positive and negative sides. Quite another question is what is the side we are inclined to see and to favor. In my opinion, a policy change for comments at lessig.org is a good idea. I highly favor your way of thinking and your new ideas of change; however let me not agree with you on one point: what seems uncivil and unethical for you may sound quite nice for the one who has written it. Wouldn’t you agree with me that the freedom of speech is one of the fundamental human rights and no human creature on the Earth, irrespective of the circumstances can ever take or give these rights? I think it is a sin. If you are ready to sin for the sake of others reputation thinking that it is more just then go ahead.

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By: Marc http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13234 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 07:40:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13234 I don’t read the comments here often, but I don’t think this blog has a real problem with uncivil discourse in the comments, especially compared to others that I read.

Since the problem which precipitated the discussion was forgeries, why not just start by forbidding those? I have no problem in principle with deleting attacks on others, but if you introduce moderation, I would suggest doing it in small steps.

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By: Maxx Kredit http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13233 Sat, 12 Apr 2008 01:17:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13233 Sounds democratic – ..I also agree with the comments supporting your proposition of your moderator. Well let´s see the future comments ! Maxx

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By: David Jefferson http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13232 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:45:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13232 I have no problem with this change. It seems to me that you are being entirely too defensive here. There is no need for such caution.

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By: three blind mice http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13231 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 19:43:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13231 This change has been encouraged by many people, but prompted by one case in particular, where there’s apparently a stalker who is faking his/her ID (poorly, as I can see they all come from a common set of IP addresses), and attacking someone who left a couple comments on my blog. That’s not the sort of place I want here.

it’s not the sort of place you may want here, professor, but it’s part and parcel of the new company you keep.

the lessig blog is like a biker bar we mice used to frequent (and love) that turned upscale, starting attracting yuppies, and went all to hell.

a new set of rules on the wall won’t change the people sitting around the bar.

It’s a damned pity because good bars (and blogs) are hard to find.

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By: Daniel Freiman http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13230 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 06:15:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13230 Sounds fine. But I don’t see why you need a volunteer. If running/working for the half dozen organizations that you have founded is taking up your time or even if you simply don’t feel like doing it, then ok. Also, why can’t you remove comments against you? I understand not wanting to delete constructive and even angry or poorly thought out criticism against you, but some comments are simply name calling and I don’t think anyone cares if you delete those.

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By: Stephen Downes http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13229 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:54:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13229 I delete all personal attacks, no matter who they’re aimed at, offensive comments, comments that are irrelevant or off-topic (because they’re just a type of spam IMHO), and outright spam. I leave the rest.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13228 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:23:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13228 I can’t say that I noticed the problem compared to other blogs, but I don’t drill down into all comment sections. Or if I did not noticed, the problem could be me.

If related to the political race, the problem and nastiness may go away, when you return to more academic subjects.

Not that I have looked, but all moderating schemes tend to include other problems, just as limiting campaign contributions (free speech) have other problems. (This example of campaign contributions could be off topic). There is no perfect solution.

If just one or a few people, you could ask them to refrain or leave, if you have not done so.

Damm what are stripper doing in this Enron DVD I am watching. Something about one of the Enron execs. I better stop multitasking.

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By: Mark Schmidt http://www.lessig.org/2008/04/please-give-comments-on-a-less/#comment-13227 Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:07:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/04/please_give_comments_on_a_less.html#comment-13227 Great question…I agree with the comments supporting your proposition of the volunteer moderator and also the comment above that you place a, “Lessig reserves the right to remove uncivil discourse. This is a place for intelligent free speech.”

The other suggestions, while good intentioned, are non-value added. The readers of your blog are smart people, who come together to share ideas, not to police the chance delinquent.

Cheers!

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