Comments on: the consequences of negative campaigning http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: vdoxgiejmd http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-28671 Mon, 04 Mar 2013 14:12:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-28671 yeRfNH derntfwzsumm

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By: LDTrucano-Harp http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13972 Mon, 06 Oct 2008 17:18:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13972 For the record:

(1) The woman in this video is, indeed, Lorna Brett Howard.

(2) Lorna served as president of the *Chicago* Chapter of the National Organization for Women, *not* Illinois NOW. (Yes, there are both state and local chapters of NOW, in addition to the national chapter.)

How do I know? I spent many years involved with Chicago NOW, including time as Vice President during Lorna’s tenure as President.

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By: Ken Deutsch http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13971 Wed, 20 Feb 2008 02:16:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13971 This video shows more about the power of the narrative then the problem with negative campaigning.

The Clinton campaign went negative with targeted printed materials with no narrative.

The Obama campaign produced this video with a homemade feel and in doing so disguised a negative attack as defense against those mean Clintons.

While Lorne Brett Howard implies that she was the President of Illinois NOW AND was in agreement with Obama’s abstaining to vote, she was not even part of Illinois NOW at the time. NOW wanted Obama to vote against the legislation (see http://www.illinoisnow.org/ ).

Clearly, the Clinton campaign does not understand how to carry out negative campaigning with new media. Wrap a negative ad into a narrative on YouTube and you can imply anything you want and even the most intelligent and educated won’t bother to look at the facts.

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By: Samantha http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13970 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 13:29:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13970 I find it amazing that after a multitude of attacks over months by our illustrious First Lady on Barack Obama that LYING is simply referred to as negative campaigning. LYING is LYING and HIllary Clinton should be called on it loud and clear. Why are we so careful with her? Hillary has run a negative, down and dirty, lying campaign and has dishonored herself, the title of First Lady and the Democratic party.

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By: Keith DeRose http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13969 Sun, 10 Feb 2008 04:06:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13969 Perhaps the title of this post should be changed. I don’t think it’s *negative* campaigning that’s the real problem here; it’s *false* or misleading campaigning that’s really objectionable.

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By: wff http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13968 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 23:03:27 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13968 I think Steve did not actually play the video, or he is watching it on dial-up. Flash can smartly degrade streaming video quality to keep up with connection issues. I will give him the benefit of the doubt, because unless he is just being an arse, this video is just perfect for identifying the subject. The lighting is fair if not subtle. The detail is very good. There is no intent here to deceive the audience with regards to who this is.

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By: dfb http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13967 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:44:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13967 Steve: here’s another: http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=clinton_prochoice_supporter_fl

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By: dfb http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13966 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 13:36:29 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13966 Steve Baba: I agree with the others. There is nothing wrong with the resolution and the picture is very clear, her face is well lit, and there can be no doubt it is the same person shown on the Mapendo Blog. The resolution is still pretty good with full screen mode. The YouTube video was posted by the Obama campaign, however there is nothing presumptively wrong with that.

You can easily do a search of her name and come up with a ton of results, mostly regarding this video.
http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=ytff1-&p=%22Lorna%20Brett%20Howard%22&ei=UTF-8

Here is a relevant thread on Archpundit.
http://archpundit.com/blog/2008/02/02/lorna-brett-howard-responds/

btw: My vote went to Edwards (not quite wasted) so I’m neutral between Obama and Clinton, for now. I despise the negative campaigning both sides have engaged in.

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By: bnb614 http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13965 Sun, 03 Feb 2008 11:14:20 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13965 Steve, log off your computer and get your eyes checked. Quit trying to create a scandal where there isn’t one. There is no doubt that is Lorna Howard. “the video does not show her face enough” – What video are you watching? The entire video is a close up of her face. It took me 2 seconds of looking at her official bio to know the picture and video were the same person.

For any Bay Area Obama fans. Members of the Grateful Dead are throwing a fundraiser/concert for Obama.

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By: ilan http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13964 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 19:16:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13964 I think there are certain times when you try to be a bit different and be more practical. Two years ago, the Danish published the cartoons in the name of freedom of expression and the ensuing riots resulted in the deaths of several innocent people. I am sure you will use the common sense to remove these pictures which are hurting the emotions of the Muslims. Lastly, since these pictures are not the only source of information on Prophet Muhammad (SAW), removing them won’t bring any bad image. I am sure if you remove them, the whole Muslim world will appreciate it. I am ready to volunteer myself to do any service for Wikimedia which might benefit your endeavor for free availability of knowledge.

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By: M Junaid Khan http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13963 Sat, 02 Feb 2008 00:00:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13963 I hope you are doing great! I had to spent an hour to find any method of contacting you. To introduce myself, i am a Muslim from Pakistan and the purpose of writing to you is to request you to ask the concerned people in Wikipedia to kindly remove the pictures of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) from the Wikipedia. I do understand your policy of Neutral Point of View (NPOV) but i think publishing the pictures negates it itself. By publishing pictures, you have already taken a side and offended the religious feelings of one sixth of the humanity on the face of earth.
I think there are certain times when you try to be a bit different and be more practical. Two years ago, the Danish published the cartoons in the name of freedom of expression and the ensuing riots resulted in the deaths of several innocent people. I am sure you will use the common sense to remove these pictures which are hurting the emotions of the Muslims. Lastly, since these pictures are not the only source of information on Prophet Muhammad (SAW), removing them won’t bring any bad image. I am sure if you remove them, the whole Muslim world will appreciate it. I am ready to volunteer myself to do any service for Wikimedia which might benefit your endeavor for free availability of knowledge.
I am sure you will look into that and support us in this case. Even few petitions, which have recently been circulated will provide you with enough evidence to the level of activity these pictures have created.
Please stop this issue from turning into something ugly in which again few innocent people lose their lives and more and more hatred is created. I am sure you will talk to the concerned people on our behalf and present our point of view.
Regards
M Junaid Khan
Pakistan

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By: M Junaid Khan http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13962 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 23:58:27 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13962 I hope you are doing great! I had to spent an hour to find any method of contacting you. To introduce myself, i am a Muslim from Pakistan and the purpose of writing to you is to request you to ask the concerned people in Wikipedia to kindly remove the pictures of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) from the Wikipedia. I do understand your policy of Neutral Point of View (NPOV) but i think publishing the pictures negates it itself. By publishing pictures, you have already taken a side and offended the religious feelings of one sixth of the humanity on the face of earth.
I think there are certain times when you try to be a bit different and be more practical. Two years ago, the Danish published the cartoons in the name of freedom of expression and the ensuing riots resulted in the deaths of several innocent people. I am sure you will use the common sense to remove these pictures which are hurting the emotions of the Muslims. Lastly, since these pictures are not the only source of information on Prophet Muhammad (SAW), removing them won’t bring any bad image. I am sure if you remove them, the whole Muslim world will appreciate it. I am ready to volunteer myself to do any service for Wikimedia which might benefit your endeavor for free availability of knowledge.
I am sure you will look into that and support us in this case. Even few petitions, which have recently been circulated will provide you with enough evidence to the level of activity these pictures have created.
Please stop this issue from turning into something ugly in which again few innocent people lose their lives and more and more hatred is created. I am sure you will talk to the concerned people on our behalf and present our point of view.
Regards
M Junaid Khan
Pakistan

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13961 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 22:39:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13961 For the people that don’t know, if you see your teenage son or daughter setting up their webcam with strong lighting behind them – the same as taking photographs into the sun – and having a blank wall behind them, they are likely doing it to conceal their identity, likely because they are engaging in mild exhibitionism or talking to older people and trying to conceal that they are not 18.

Giving John the benefit of the doubt that he is not a troll, it’s possible that he has a different better monitor than I and can see more of the bad webcam image.

But actually since this was discussed on the Huffington Post recently and only the content of her speech was disputed by people that presumably know her, not the identity of the speaker, I am much more likely to believe it’s her.

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By: a random John http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13960 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 03:28:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13960 Steve Baba,

Clearly we’re looking at different videos or you need your eyes checked. The resolution is fine, the lighting is fine, and you can see her face clearly. The walls behind her are a bit distracting due to being overly ornate, but that is my major complaint. Will the person who filmed this win an Oscar for cinematography? Of course not. But it is perfectly adequate. I honestly have no idea what you’re complaining about.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13959 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 01:56:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13959 Thanks Seth. I suppose it’s as likely that this story did not make it to mainstream media because it was not newsworthy enough as opposed to unconfirmable (false). But if, whatever organization was behind this did not even take the time to write her statement into a press release – any press release mades Google News, Yahoo News and so on – one can’t blame the news media.

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By: Seth Finkelstein http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13958 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 03:25:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13958 It’s echoed here:

http://www.prospect.org/csnc/blogs/tapped_archive?month=01&year=2008&base_name=clinton_prochoice_supporter_fl

That’s still a blog, but under a presumably reliable organization’s umbrella

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13957 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 01:01:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13957 If anyone knows, a more constructive comment would be a link from a reliable source that she made the video or changed her endorsement. Damm that CAPTCHA but I guess it’s necessary

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13956 Thu, 31 Jan 2008 00:56:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13956 Nice clintonesque twisting of words, but while the video does show her face for “enough” time, the video does not show the face with “enough” resolution (due to the intentional or incompetent backlighting) to see anything – her mouth, nose, eyes, ears even where her face ends.. in my opinion.

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By: John Harrison http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13955 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 22:32:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13955 Steve Baba,

Are you watching the same video I am? It doesn’t show anything other than her face and the person speaking and the person in the picture you linked to are clearly the same person.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13954 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 11:40:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13954 Are we sure this video is even authentic? The oldest and most common dirty political trick is to call into a radio talk program claiming that I used to be a Republican/Democrat/Candidate X supporter until they did something so despicable that I now support the other.

It’s odd or incompetent that the video does not show her face enough to compare to her online picture:
http://www.mapendo.org/about_blog_links.cfm?blogID=55&type=bio
or that Google News has no stories on this by the real media that checks facts before publishing.

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By: Steve Baba http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13953 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 05:33:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13953 The consequences of mudslinging will be that the “100% honest” candidate on the white horse is going to look a lot worse with mud on his white horse while the candidate on the grey horse is going to look the same.

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By: Jardinero1 http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13952 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 04:09:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13952 Political contests are about winning. Hillary is about winning. Now that Barack is taking some kidney punches, we’ll see if he is about winning as well.

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By: Seth Finkelstein http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/the-consequences-of-negative-c/#comment-13951 Wed, 30 Jan 2008 03:53:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/the_consequences_of_negative_c.html#comment-13951 “He’s 100% honest”?

Sorry, no Presidential candidate is that good. It’s the nature of the beast.

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