Comments on: Barack Obama’s 2002 Speech http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Jasmine http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14134 Fri, 31 Oct 2008 01:15:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14134 It is important to remember, as NPR has informed us, that this is a re-created speech. Many reporters in the crowd that day do not recall, and did not report on, Obama’s speech. Obama has also recreated a video, complete with fake crowd noise, to simulate the speech.

The big question, before this rally, is if in fact Obama was against the war. He supposedly was told by the rally’s organizers that the event would be distinctly anti-war, and that he had to have an anti-war position to ingratiate the crowd.

Thus he is now able to say he was against the war. We may never know if it took real backbone, or if he caved in, to hold this position.

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By: Lee http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14133 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 22:16:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14133 Upon reading many of the blogs posted here, I must clarify something.
Most Americans agree with the lofty words and visions for world peace that Obama so eloquently pontificates in his speeches … It’s Obama we don’t trust. those of you who hypnotically fawn over Obama take everything he says as gospel. But, you don’t even know the man. You assume that because his words are worthy, he is trustworthy. People they are just words! Obama, the man who is speaking those words has a horrible track record. He did nothing as a senator. He spent the last 20 years accepting an anti-American racist as his mentor. His associations have been with extremely unsavory people. However, you Obamabots keep trying to characterize the rest of us as disagreeing with what Obama says … when it’s Obama himself we don’t trust … nor should you!

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By: nic http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14132 Mon, 16 Jun 2008 01:58:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14132 Auditioning for Commander-in-Chief

Last week, Barack Obama was designated as the “presumptive nominee” of the Democratic Party, and Hillary Clinton endorsed him. What does it signify—and what does it NOT signify—that for the first time in U.S. history a Black person has been made the political candidate of a major political party? This is a very important question and we will be exploring it in future issues of the paper, including next week. This issue, however, we want to highlight the particular importance of Obama’s very first act after claiming the Democratic Party nomination—a speech on Israel, to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC). more…

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By: karl http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14131 Tue, 03 Jun 2008 21:05:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14131 obama is an immature turd.. you guys. he just is a kid trapped in a mans body.. he dont know what he is doing!! he is lying!! he loves war!! all little kids do!!

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By: dorothy http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14130 Fri, 16 May 2008 00:06:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14130 Obama thinks this is a dumb war? He not only doesn`t know how many states in the U.S and where the Great lakes are, he doesn`t know history either….
Why Are We Fighting in Iraq?
This is really very interesting and informative and puts history in perspective.
It’s really something to think about in these awful times. The writer is very
well-versed in mid-east affairs over a period of some 20yrs.:

Sixty-three years ago, Nazi Germany had overrun almost all of Europe and
hammered England to the verge of bankruptcy and defeat, and had sunk more than
four hundred British ships in their convoys between England and America for food
and war materials.

Bushido Japan had overrun most of Asia, beginning in 1928, killing millions of
civilians throughout China, and impressing millions more as slave labor.

The United States was in an isolationist and pacifist mood, and most Americans
and Congress wanted nothing to do with the European war, or the Asian war.

Then along came Pearl Harbor on December 7, 1941, and in outrage Congress
unanimously declared war on Japan, and the following day on Germany, which had
not attacked us.

It was a dicey thing. We had few allies.

France was not an ally, for the Vichy government of France aligned with its
German occupiers. Germany was not an ally, for it was an enemy, and Hitler
intended to set up a Thousand Year Reich in Europe. Japan was not an ally, for
it was intent on owning and controlling all of Asia. Japan and Germany had
long-term ideas of invading Canada and Mexico, and then the United States over
the north and south borders, after they had settled control of Asia and Europe.

America’s allies then were England, Ireland, Scotland, Canada, Australia, and
Russia, and that was about it. There were no other countries of any size or
military significance with the will and ability to contribute much of anything
to the effort to defeat Hitler’s Germany and Japan, and prevent the global
dominance of Nazism. And we had to send millions of tons of arms, munitions, and
war supplies to Russia, England, and the Canadians, Aussies, Irish, and Scots,
because none of them could produce all they needed for themselves.

All of Europe, from Norway to Italy, except Russia in the east, was already
under the Nazi heel.

America was not prepared for war. America had stood down most of its military
after World War I and throughout the depression. At the outbreak of World War II
there were army soldiers training with broomsticks over their shoulders because
they didn’t have guns, and using cars with ”tank” painted on the doors because
they didn’t have tanks. And a big chunk of our navy had just been sunk and
damaged at Pearl Harbor.

Britain had already gone bankrupt, saved only by the donation of $600 million in
gold bullion in the Bank of England that was the property of Belgium and was
given by Belgium to England to carry on the war when Belgium was overrun by
Hitler.

Actually, Belgium surrendered in one day, because it was unable to oppose the
German invasion, and the Germans bombed Brussels into rubble the next day
anyway, just to prove they could.

Britain had been holding out for two years already in the face of staggering
shipping loses and the near-decimation of its air force in the Battle of
Britain, and was saved from being overrun by Germany only because Hitler made
the mistake of thinking the Brits were a relatively minor threat that could be
dealt with later and turning his attention to Russia, at a time when England was
on the verge of collapse in the late summer of 1940.

Russia saved America’s rear by putting up a desperate fight for two years until
the United States got geared up to begin hammering away at Germany.

Russia lost something like 24 million people in the sieges of Stalingrad and
Moscow, 90% of them from cold and starvation, mostly civilians, but also more
than a million soldiers. More than a million!

Had Russia surrendered, then, Hitler would have been able to focus his entire
campaign against the Brits, then America, and the Nazis would have won that war.

Had Hitler not made that mistake and invaded England in 1940 or 1941, instead,
there would have been no England for the United States and the Brits to use as a
staging ground to prepare an assault on Nazi Europe.

England would not have been able to run its North African campaign to help take
a little pressure off Russia while America geared up for battle, and today
Europe would very probably be run by the Nazis, the Third Reich, and, isolated
and without any allies (not even the Brits).

The United States would very likely have had to cede Asia to the Japanese, who
were basically Nazis by another name then, and the world we live in today would
be very different and much worse.

I say this to illustrate that turning points in history are often dicey things.
And we are now at another one.

There is a very dangerous minority in Islam that either has or wants to have,
and may soon have the ability to deliver small nuclear, biological, or chemical
weapons, almost anywhere in the world, unless it is prevented from doing so.

France, Germany, and Russia, have been selling these Islamic nations weapons
technology at least as recently as 2002, as have North Korea, Syria, and
Pakistan paid for with billions of dollars that Saddam Hussein skimmed from the
“Oil For Food” program administered by the United Nations with the complicity of
Kofi Annan and his son.

The Jihadis, or the militant Muslims, are basically Nazis in Kaffiyahs. They
believe that Islam, a radically conservative (definitely not liberal) form of
Wahhabi Islam, should own and control the Middle East first, then Europe and
then the world. All who do not bow to Allah should be killed, enslaved, or
subjugated.

They want to finish the Holocaust, destroy Israel, and purge the world of Jews.
This is what they say.

There is also a civil war raging in the Middle East for the most part not a hot
war, but a war of ideas. Islam is having its Inquisition and its Reformation
today, but it is not yet known which will win the Inquisition, or the
Reformation.

If the Inquisition wins, then the Wahhabis, or the Jihadis, will control the
Middle East, and the OPEC oil, and the United States, European, and Asian
economies the techno-industrial economies will be at the mercy of OPEC.

This is not an OPEC dominated by the well educated and rational Saudis of today,
but an OPEC dominated by the Jihadis.

You want gas in your car? You want heating oil next winter? You want jobs? You
want the dollar to be worth anything? You better hope the Jihad, the Muslim
Inquisition, loses, and the Islamic Reformation wins.

If the Reformation movement wins, that is the moderate Muslims who believe that
Islam can respect and tolerate other religions and live in peace with the rest
of the world, move out of the 10th Century into the 21st Century. Then the
troubles in the Middle East will eventually fade away, and a moderate and
prosperous Middle East will emerge.

We have to help the Reformation win, and to do that we have to fight the
Inquisition, i.e., the Wahhabi movement, the Jihad, Al Qaeda, the Islamic
terrorist movements.

We have to do it somewhere, we cannot do it just anywhere and we cannot do it
everywhere at once.

**** We have created a focal point for the battle now at the time and place of
our choosing, in IRAQ….. Not in New York, not in London, or Paris, or Berlin,
but in Iraq, where we did and are doing two very important things:

(1) We deposed Saddam Hussein and whether Saddam Hussein was directly involved
in 9/11 or not the issue. It is undisputed that Saddam has been actively
supporting the terrorist movement for decades, Saddam is a terrorist. Saddam is,
or was, a weapon of mass destruction, who is responsible for the deaths of
probably more than a million Iraqis and two million Iranians.

(2) We created a battle, a confrontation, a flash point, with Islamic terrorism
in Iraq and we have focused the battle. We are killing bad guys there, and the
ones we get there we won’t have to get here, or anywhere else. We also have a
good shot at creating a democratic, peaceful Iraq, which will be a catalyst for
democratic change in the rest of the Middle East, and an outpost for a
stabilizing American military presence in the Middle East for as long as it is
needed.

The Euros could have done this, but they didn’t, and they won’t. We now know
that rather than opposing the rise of the Jihad, the French, Germans, and
Russians were selling them arms. We have found more than a million tons of
weapons and munitions in Iraq. If Iraq was not a threat to anyone, why did
Saddam need a million tons of weapons?

Additionally, Iraq was paying for French, German, and Russian arms with money
skimmed from the United Nations Oil for Food Program (supervised by U.N.
Secretary General Kofi Annan and his son) that was supposed to pay for food,
medicine, and education, for Iraqi children.

World War II, the war with the German and Japanese Nazis, really began with a
”whimper” in 1928.

It did not begin with Pearl Harbor. It began with the Japanese invasion of
China. It was at war for fourteen years before America joined in it. It
officially ended in 1945 a 17 year war and was followed by another decade of
United States occupation in Germany and Japan to get those countries
reconstructed and running on their own again a 27 year war.

World War II cost the United States an amount equal to approximately a full
year’s GNP adjusted for inflation, equal to about $12 trillion dollars.

World War II cost America more than 400,000 killed in action, and nearly 100,000
are still missing in action.

The Iraq war has so far cost the United States about $120 billion, which is
roughly what 9/11 cost New York. It has also cost about 3,000 American lives,
which is roughly 1/3 of the 3,000 lives that the Jihad snuffed on 9/11.

But the cost of not fighting and winning World War II would have been
unimaginably greater, a world that would now be dominated by German and Japanese
Nazism.

Americans have a short attention span, now, conditioned I suppose by 30 minute
television shows and 2 hour movies in which everything comes out okay. The real
world is not like that. It is messy, uncertain, and sometimes bloody and ugly.
It always has been, and probably always will be.

If we do this thing in Iraq successfully, it is probable that the Reformation
will ultimately prevail. Many Muslims in the Middle East hope it will. We will
be there to support it.

It has begun in some countries, Libya, for instance also Dubai and Saudi Arabia.
If we fail, the Inquisition will probably prevail, and terrorism from Islam will
be with us for all the foreseeable future, because the people of the
Inquisition, or Jihad, believe that they are called by Allah to kill all the
Infidels, and that death in Jihad is glorious.

The bottom line here is that we will have to deal with Islamic terrorism until
we defeat it, whenever that is. It will not go away on its own. It will not go
away if we ignore it.

If the United States can create a reasonably democratic and stable Iraq, then we
have an ”England” in the Middle East, a platform from which we can work to
help modernize and moderate the Middle East.

The history of the world is the clash between the forces of relative civility
and civilization, and the barbarians clamoring at the gates.

The Iraq war is merely another battle in this ancient and never-ending war. And
now, for the first time ever, the barbarians are about to get nuclear weapons
unless we or somebody does prevent them.

The Iraq war is expensive, and uncertain, yes. But the consequences of not
fighting it and winning it will be horrifically greater. We have four options:

1.We can defeat the Jihad now, before it gets nuclear weapons.

2.We can fight the Jihad later, after it gets nuclear weapons (which may be as
early as next year, if Iran’s progress on nuclear weapons is what Iran claims it
is).

3.We can surrender to the Jihad and accept its dominance in the Middle East,
now, in Europe in the next few years or decades, and ultimately in America.

4.Or we can stand down now, and pick up the fight later when the Jihad is more
widespread and better armed, perhaps after the Jihad has dominated France and
Germany and maybe most of the rest of Europe. It will be more dangerous, more
expensive, and much bloodier then.

Yes, the Jihadis say that they look forward to an Islamic America. If you oppose
this war, I hope you like the idea that your children, or grandchildren, may
live in an Islamic America under the Mullahs and the Sharia, an America that
resembles Iran today.

We can be defeatist, as many Democrats and liberals, peace activists, and
anti-war types seem to be, and concede or surrender to the Jihad or we can do
whatever it takes to win this war against them.

The history of the world is the history of civil clashes, or cultural clashes.
All wars are about ideas, ideas about what society and civilization should be
like and the most determined always win. Those who are willing to be the most
ruthless always win.

The pacifists always lose, because the anti-pacifists kill them.

In the 20th Century it was western democracy vs. communism, and before that
western democracy vs. Nazism, and before that Western democracy vs. German
Imperialism.

Western democracy won, three times, but it wasn’t cheap, fun, nice, easy, or
quick. Indeed, the wars against German Imperialism (World War I), Nazi
Imperialism (World War II), and communist imperialism (the 40-year Cold War that
included the Vietnam Battle, commonly called the Vietnam War, but itself a major
battle in a larger war) covered almost the entire century.

The first major war of the 21st Century is the war between Western
Judeo/Christian Civilization and Wahhabi Islam. It may last a few more years, or
most of this century.

It will last until the Wahhabi branch of Islam fades away, or gives up its
ambitions for regional and global dominance and Jihad, or until Western
Civilization gives in to the Jihad.

Remember, perspective is everything, and America’s schools teach too little
history. The Cold War lasted from about 1947 to 1989 at least until the Berlin
Wall came down in 1989. Forty-two years.

Europe spent the first half of the 19th century fighting Napoleon, and from 1870
to 1945 fighting Germany.

World War II began in 1928, lasted 17 years, plus a ten year occupation and the
United States still has troops in Germany and Japan. World War II resulted in
the death of more than 50 million people, maybe more than 100 million people,
depending on which estimates you accept.

The United States has taken a little more than 4,000 Killed-in-Action (KIA) in
Iraq. The United States took more than 4,000 KIA on the morning of June 6, 1944,
the first day of the Normandy Invasion to rid Europe of Nazi Imperialism.

In World War II the United States averaged 2,000 KIA a week for four years. Most
of the individual battles of World War II lost more Americans than the entire
Iraq war has done so far.

But the stakes are at least as high: a world dominated by representative
governments with civil rights, human rights, and personal freedoms–or a world
dominated by a radical Islamic Wahhabi movement, and by the Jihad, under the
Mullahs and the Sharia.

I do not understand why many Americans do not grasp this. Too much television I
guess.

Many Americans profess to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, liberty,
freedom, and all that. But not for Iraqis, I guess. In America, but nowhere
else.

The 300,000 Iraqi bodies in mass graves in Iraq, not our problem. The United
States population is about twelve times that of Iraq, so let’s multiply 300,000
by twelve. What would you think if there were 3,600,000 American bodies in mass
graves in America because of our president? Would you not want another country
to help liberate America?

”Peace Activists” always seem to demonstrate where it’s safe and ineffective
to do so: in America. Why don’t we see peace activists demonstrating in Iran,
Syria, Iraq, Sudan, North Korea; in the places in the world that really need
peace activism the most?

Are we not supposed to be in favor of human rights, civil rights, democracy,
multiculturalism, diversity, etc? Well, if the Jihad wins and wherever the Jihad
wins, it is the end of civil rights, human rights, democracy, multiculturalism,
diversity, etc

Americans who oppose the liberation of Iraq are coming down on the side of their
own worst enemy. If the Jihad wins, it is the death of ALL OTHER “ISMS” !

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By: Will http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14129 Thu, 03 Apr 2008 10:23:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14129 I forgot that Obama was elected after the war began…I’d have to say that this speech is something that could easily be buried if the war was successful and his remarks towards Saudi Arabia and Egypt are quite hawkish… There is a HUGE difference between saying no in a small column vs. a “nay” vote on the original measure on the Senate floor and I doubt he will be the one to bring that up.

It is better to have someone who takes an opinion (McCain or Hillary) then one who’s afraid to do so (see: his record in the Illinois legislature) and Monday morning quarterbacks the outcome.

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By: smartass7577 http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14128 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 08:14:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14128 My question is: Would Hillary be afforded as much latitude if her spiritual advisor were a racist? If her reverend were a member of the KKK would she be able to stand up in front of the world and say we have a horrible past and I am going to lead our country to a better place? Not likely, she would be out of the race hands down! It amazes me that Obama didn’t disassociate himself from the reverend even after he knew about the comments. Surely there are more qualified African American people, that represent the best of America, who would be suitable to sit on his spiritual advisor committee. The choice is up to us America……… do we pick the candidate whose spiritual advisor wants God to Dam America?

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By: mark http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14127 Wed, 19 Mar 2008 03:28:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14127 barracks speech, wow he’s a good liar. he’s been listening to the preacher for 20 years. he is blowing smoke up our butt for sure. wake up america!

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By: Ken B. http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14126 Wed, 05 Mar 2008 17:41:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14126 Wow! Obama makes an anti-war speech at an anti-war rally while running for a democratic seat in the Illinois legislature. Way to go out on a limb, Barack. If this is his only claim to fame (as in, he’d “rather be right on day one”), then what about his self-described “boneheaded” real estate dealings with Tony Rezko? What about his behind the American people’s back dealings with Canada on NAFTA? What about his absolute lack of any exposure AT ALL to international politics? He’s a joke.

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By: Regency http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14125 Sat, 23 Feb 2008 07:38:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14125 Easily duped again, America.

It’s easy to say that one is against the war when it isn’t their decision to make. It’s easy say that “dumb wars” are a disappointment when no one’s asking you to cast your vote. It’s easy to feel secure in your own righteousness and your own skin when it isn’t your state that was terrorised–3000 of your constituents that never made it home. It’s easy to say “no” to something–whichever war he meant–when History won’t hold you accountable.

Hillary got unlucky in this one. She dared to win her Senate seat and then do something with it.

When and if this man makes it into office, we will see for ourselves the breadth and deepth of his vision; we will see his capabilities laid bare. And when they fall far short of what they’ve promised to be, we will feel, once again, fooled and “bamboozled” by a man who knew just the lies to tell.

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By: justme http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14124 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 13:19:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14124 I would like to ask you all to hear me out on what I am about to say… We are – once again – getting duped.

If Obama wins the nomination, McCain will be the next president. Here is why I say this:

Republican voters are insuring that the less-experienced Obama will be the nominee by voting for him in the primaries, and once this happens, they will go back to their base in the general election and vote for McCain. They need to insure that Hillary doesn’t get the nomination because she won’t be an easy target for McCain -she can hold her own with him – Obama can’t.

“That’s ridiculous”, you say?? To you, I ask that you look at the number of “democrats” that are voting in the primaries verses the number of republicans…. the numbers don’t add up.

Take Wisconsin, for example: Voters DO NOT have to be party affiliated to vote in the primary – which allows republicans to vote for democrats and vice versa. Here are the results:

Total votes for democrats: 1,099,661
Total votes for republicans: 375,427

The numbers make no sense……. how many of the million plus are republicans insuring a win for Obama???

Dems are being set up for failure.

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By: Ruth Calabria http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14123 Fri, 22 Feb 2008 01:18:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14123 Ruth Calabria, Chairperson

We endorse Barack Obama as the next president of the United States.

This is the most important election America will ever have, possibly the last if Barack Obama is not elected.

The Evolutionary Party derives its politics from the equation for evolution shown on the flag that has been in the textbooks for the last eighty years. A mathematical elaboration of it supported by data ranging from chemical kinetics to the evening news indicates that our “war on terror” is slowly but surely escalating to World War III, a truly terrifying thought. For that reason we support Barack Obama, for he is the only real anti-war candidate.

Hillary? Before Hillary came Bill. Let us recall Bill Clinton and his lovely first lady with a clear eye. This all smiling couple sang their song of health care so sweetly to the public but delivered, not on an increase in medical protection, but an increase in prison building and in the number of police roaming the streets, federally paid, looking for a reason to hassle the public and put those who get annoyed rather than cowed into one of those new Clinton prisons. And we accepted it all because it came from such a nice American couple with such nice smiles. Hillary, show us that your showboat is something other than a total fake.

What the Clintons did very much pleased the conservatives, who believe in lock ‘em up law and order because our laws are made by and for the eternal betterment of the moneyed class in America. What the Clintons did took America to the highest per-capita prison population in the world, a statistic historically associated with police states like Stalinist Russia and apartheid South Africa. No, the Evolutionary Party is not saying that America is a police state, if it were, you’d have heard about it on the evening news.

The Clinton presidency also ended social protection for out of work people, again quite pleasing the conservatives. The Clintons ended Lyndon Baines Johnson’s war on poverty and put all the homeless people you don’t see on TV onto the streets of Las Vegas and Sacramento where they are as thick as flies and can’t be missed unless you are blind. As some in the media actually are. Have you ever noticed Carol Costello’s eyes? Right out of the Stepford Wives. She is blind. You are sure of that by what she and the rest of the show your tits newscasters don’t say. Nothing that you actually see on the streets of America and on its busses and in its workplaces is ever talked about on TV.

And you have to wonder who Carole is banging for in the front office. We are not picking on her for that reason, though. Working women all across America have to fuck for their bosses, one way or another, to get ahead in life. So it is very unlikely that Carole is alone as a CNN down on her knees newscastrix. No, we are picking on Carole and on Anderson and on the rest of the well paid greasy mouths on TV for not seeing the more stark realities we lesser people have to live with.

And to all you middle class who don’t care if the Clintons brought us the hoards of homeless beggars that don’t exist in your life, don’t turn your head so soon. It could be you and your family next. Either as one of the homeless, when the economic realities of our trillion dollar war rob you of your job and retirement savings when the market crashes. Or as a victim of the homeless when their rage at being kicked by the police on top of being starved reaches the mass murder point. As it has in a number of other sectors in America where control is abusive, as at work and in our well policed schools.

On a lighter note, Hillary does have a few things she can be proud of. She is a most talented actress and a profoundly adept social climber, our American Evita. But whatever Hillary’s personal accomplishments, she is never going to go against the wishes of the money class that created her and Bill and supported them as their adorable political puppets. Hillary would not show her tax returns, as Obama asked, because they would show the largess showered on the Clintons by the moneyed class. No, Hillary is not going to stop this war, whatever she may say to get elected and star her next movie: Figurehead President II.

Of course, there are those of you that think that Hillary would never lie to us. Bill said he would never lie to us. And he said it so well that I yet don’t believe he lied to us about Monica. Monica who? That is how good an actor Bill is. He’s even a better actor than Brad Pitt. One night Bill crawled into Angelina’s bedroom in Beverly Hills with a cigar in his mouth. Hey, Angelina, he said, my wife’s going to run for president this year. Open your legs and give us your vote. Pass the popcorn, please. It’ll be another four years of that movie, but with Hillary smoking the cigar.

Of course, transgressions are relative. Who is not totally revulsed by the smell of a public rest room fused to the Bible squeezing, boy hustling conservative senator from Idaho? Nobody has caught Bill at that yet. Still, what character is there in a first family when the head of the most powerful nation on earth sticks a penile object, not even his own, up some college kid’s vagina? If this were a movie, would they play the Star Spangled Banner during this scene?

And doesn’t it make you wonder about the guy’s wife? Does any sane female over the age of 22 really think Hillary felt bad about Bill and Monica? Behind all the media hype that protects those who help control the little people, you have to wonder:

A.) Is Hillary is lesbian, a married one, not that unusual in modern America. If Hillary was mad about anything with Monica, it was that she didn’t get a shot at her too. Watch one of Hillary’s lovers surface soon to clarify her tastes as to penile object.

B.) The smiling Clintons are so phony and so slimy underneath that one would not be surprised to find that the inarguably unconfident and possibly mildly retarded Chelsea Clinton was the product of her pervert parents abusing her when she was four years old, the age she seems to be stuck in. Certainly there is as much truth in this outrageous conjecture as the Clintons being good people because they go to church on Sunday. No, what the Clintons are is not good, but likable. Likable is a banana split. You just like how it tastes. You don’t need a reason. The Clintons are an imitation banana split, very likeable, like artificial sweetener that causes cancer eight years down the line.

You can trust what a Clinton says like you can trust what a Bush says. That whole family, George I, George II, Lady Barbara and Lady Laura, are all great actors too. And isn’t it interesting that the Bush daughters, Jenna and what’s her name, are as unconfident and inept as Chelsea. Makes you wonder if Bush uses a cigar too. But on Lady Laura, the Virgin Mary of conservatives?

True, this skit by the one writer’s guild writer who didn’t get rehired is a bit insane. But there are a lot of people around today that are actually insane, not the least of whom are the conservatives, all of which are unbalanced emotionally because of their castration in childhood from the pains of physical punishment and strict obedience. They are inherently defective however much their endless charades from Senate podiums and on Fox News try to hide it. And dangerous when they have weapons in their grasp.

If you want the war and the police state to end, vote for Barack Obama. Not for Hillary, who is so self-serving and devious that you wouldn’t be surprised if she teamed up with Huckabee as VP on a national reconciliation ticket. Or some such curve ball the moneyed class would use to block Obama from getting in and ending our descent into irreversible totalitarianism and worldwide war. Hopefully Obama will not be removed by assassination.

Who are we to say such dark things?

matrix-evolutionsdotcom

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By: Paul http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14122 Thu, 21 Feb 2008 23:50:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14122 I find it interesting that Obama himself states clearly in the text of the article that he wrote this version down AFTER the rally! I question some of the information provided within because there are things that seem to have come to light after the debate. Either he is truly a profit (the new Mohammed??) or he’s giving everyone the run. He’s a lawyer by training, and we all know lawyers are really good at making tings seem different than they relly are. I was in Chicago during these days and as I recall, granted from memory not actual archives, that he really wasn’t very strong against the war. More of a heat of the moment political speech to a specific crowd. Sure seems like the new Slick Willy to me!

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By: Bruce Dixon http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14121 Tue, 19 Feb 2008 18:10:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14121 Obama very definitely DID remove that speech from his web site for a good six or seven weeks at least in the spring and early summer of 2003, when pro-war sentiment was running heavy, when he had already locked up the antiwar vote for the primary, and was tacking right to please his friends at the DLC and his campaign contributors. I know because I caught it, wrote an article on it, and Obama had to respond to it. I know because we forced him to put it back up again. Here is a recap of that exchange with links to our original dialog with Obama on the subject.

We forced him to replace the speech and to remove his DLC tattoos, his formal affiliation with the right wing corporate pocket of the Democratic party. Read it here.

http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=529&Itemid=1

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By: Eddie http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14120 Mon, 18 Feb 2008 01:22:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14120 I think its pretty disingenous for Barack Obama to claim to be the only Democratic candidate to have opposed the war with Iraq before the invasion began. At a time when our nation was deeply divided and polarized, Barack Obama could have stood tall in front of the anti-war audience boldly proclaiming his opposition to the planned war with Iraq. Instead, he uses a rhetorical device to obfuscate his position:”

“I don’t oppose all wars

I’m opposed to dumb wars

Saddam poses no imminent and direct threat to the United States, or to his neighbors

Even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences

An invasion of Iraq without a clear rationale and without strong international support will only fan the flames of the middle east, and encourage the worst, rather than best, impulses of the Arab world, and strengthen the recruitment arm of Al Queda.

I am not opposed to all wars

I’m opposed to dumb wars”

Throughout the speech, Barack Obama doesn’t shy away from offering his opinion, but when it’s time to declare his opposition both loudly and clearly, he just whimpers away lamely, perhaps reminding himself to keep his eyes on the prize — the 2004 US Senate seat.

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By: Dawn http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14119 Sun, 17 Feb 2008 06:02:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14119 This is just phase I of the Obama campaign: base building and the democratic nomination. Phase II: details the national campaign. His campaign is a evolutionary process that will become more and more focused on hard policy outlines.

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By: Gian http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14118 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:46:24 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14118 Reading these confirms my uneasiness about Obama’s rhetoric. I find him asking more for faith in him–as a preacher would–rather than instilling faith–as a true leader would. Many other “visonaries” have gone to this presidential race before him and have been slaughtered by the opossition. Both candidates should stop spending their money–join forces and recognize that it is ideas that the voting public wants to support. This would be the closest thing to parliamentary rule that the US would ever see–without an overhaul of the Consituition.

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By: murtaza2 http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14117 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 20:00:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14117 It seems to me it pretty easy to make such a speec at an anti-war rally, 19 days after the congress had to cast a meaningful vote. That’s 19 days of headlines, 19 days of pundit commentary, and 19 days to measure which way the political winds were blowing.

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By: tony parker http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14116 Sat, 09 Feb 2008 14:29:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14116 While I agree with your sentiment that Sen. Obama’s speech was merely pretty words freed from the responsibility of action and delivered before a pre-selected, sympathetic audience, I do need to correct you on your use of “19 days” in your comment

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By: evano http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14115 Mon, 04 Feb 2008 01:30:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14115 @A Democrat: While I agree with your sentiment that Sen. Obama’s speech was merely pretty words freed from the responsibility of action and delivered before a pre-selected, sympathetic audience, I do need to correct you on your use of “19 days” in your comment.

The article Professor Lessig links to is a reprint of Sen. Obama’s speech as a column in a Chicago newspaper on October 30, 2002. However, the actual speech and rally as reported on Sen. Obama’s website and linked to by @Roger above was on October 2, 2002, the same day the Authorization to Use Military Force resolution was introduced in the House of Representatives (HJRes. 114), and a week after the corresponding bill was introduced in the Senate (SJRes 45). Still, the pundits and commentators, protesters and supporters, did not wait for the Congress to formally introduce the issue before starting their arguments, and an astute political weatherman such as Sen. Obama would have had plenty of time to dress himself appropriately for his forecast.

There were many other Senators and Representatives (sadly not a majority) who opposed the resolutions, but it doesn’t appear that most of them felt that this one distinguishing position — along with a record and platform virtually indistinguishable from most other Democratic candidates — was enough to sustain a campaign for the US Presidency.

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By: A Democrat http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14114 Fri, 01 Feb 2008 10:17:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14114 It seems to me it pretty easy to make such a speec at an anti-war rally, 19 days after the congress had to cast a meaningful vote. That’s 19 days of headlines, 19 days of pundit commentary, and 19 days to measure which way the political winds were blowing.

Whether he was right or wrong is completely irrelevant. Its an apples and oranges debate. He didn’t vote. He didn’t put himself out there for the criticism and the historical record of casting a vote. It wasn’t his job. What is noteable is that ever since he got the job of Senator, he has voted (when he did vote) with the republicans.

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By: Leo http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14113 Tue, 29 Jan 2008 01:43:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14113 Obama made his anti war position clear BEFORE the invasion of Iraq, which was the appropriate time. After the war began, the Bush labeled anyone who was against the war “unpatriotic”, and he ruined the lives and professions of many people who spoke against him. Perhaps it was McCarthy era fear that led senators and millions of other Americans (including Obama) to support the war, post invasion. They were simply afraid to speak against it.

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By: Guru http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14112 Mon, 28 Jan 2008 11:21:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14112 Two things jumps out from this speech.
“I know that even a successful war against Iraq will require a US occupation of undetermined length, at undetermined cost, with undetermined consequences.”
Nobody even thought about this while going to the war with Iraq. Its like Barak could go into the future for a few years and see what would happen.

“You want a fight, President Bush? Let’s fight to wean ourselves off Middle East oil, through an energy policy that doesn’t simply serve the interests of Exxon and Mobil.”
If you want to put an end to the war by Muslim fundamentalists, cut their income source. Without money, Muslim world cannot fund the extremism. If we can be energy independent, things will change.

I am sure Barak is going to make America and the world a better place.

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By: Ron http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14111 Wed, 23 Jan 2008 23:38:42 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14111 One should consider the context of this speech before claiming that it proves anything about his vision or decision making ability. The fact is that he prepared and delivered an anti war speech at an anti war rally attended by anti war people. In my oppinion, he didn’t exactly stick his neck out here. We can only speculate what his ACTIONS would have been had he actually been a member of the senate, had to sit in on intelligence briefings, and had to cast a vote on behalf of the people of Illinois regarding the authorization of military action against Sadam Hussein. And one of those “present” votes he’s so fond of casting would not have been acceptable in that case.
Barack’s anti war position in 2002 was, in effect, his “political lottery ticket.” It didn’t cost him anything at the time. He didn’t have anything to lose by taking that position. And if he happened to be right, the payoff would be huge for his future political career. It was a highly calculated POLITICAL move by a CAREER POLITICIAN and don’t let a career politician fool you into thinking that he’s someone who can come in and change the way the political game is played. He won’t.

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By: Roger http://www.lessig.org/2008/01/barack-obamas-2002-speech/#comment-14110 Tue, 22 Jan 2008 01:47:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2008/01/barack_obamas_2002_speech.html#comment-14110 The speech doesn’t actually say that Obama is against the Iraq War.
It just says that he is against dumb wars.

The speech is back on his web site.
http://www.barackobama.com/2002/10/02/remarks_of_illinois_state_sen.php

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