Comments on: Is he a racist? http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Philipp Lenssen http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16043 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 22:21:19 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16043 For some context, see
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdhkUtx0LHM

… and see Google News for [laugh factory], [richards letterman] etc. (I had to research too being outside the US).

Hard to judge what happened here though even with above video, ’cause you can’t see what performance he started with. The possibilities without knowing more context seem to range from “badly delivered but non-racist ‘racist guy’ routine” to “plain racist comedian”. E.g. Sacha Baron Cohen aka Borat also has a racist/ sexist impression routine but he does it very well — this is the heart of satire. Another example of “racist guy” satire is, for example, Douglas Hofstadter’s http://www.cs.virginia.edu/~evans/cs655/readings/purity.html — or take a look at the song of prejudices by Sarah Silverman http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2415875145808534146 . It seems that the satirist/ comedian however must respect the logic of their chosen setting (impersonating the enemy to exxagerate and thus unveil the enemy’s line of evil thinking) to deliver the point, i.e. enter the stage as ‘racist guy/ gal’ and leave it as such.

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By: ruidh http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16042 Wed, 06 Dec 2006 13:31:49 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16042 Some of the most successful comics earn their success by disconnecting their self-censorship mechanism and by literally saying anything at all that pops into their head. The late, great Jonathan Winters and the still active Robin WIlliams utilized this stream of consciousness method. But sometimes this approach to comedy goes horribly awry.

I don’t believe Michael Richards is racist because it appears that he is very sincere in his apology. He just went in the wrong direction and was unable to tell he had gone too far.

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By: ACS http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16041 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 21:50:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16041 From Letterman

Theres a new doll out this christmas – heckle me Kramer

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By: Jason http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16040 Mon, 04 Dec 2006 03:05:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16040 Regardless of Richard’s intent and thoughts, things were said that will be hard to forget, and his image of fun-loving Kramer will be slightly muted.

Malcom Gladwell has some really interesting thoughts on this here:
http://gladwell.typepad.com/gladwellcom/2006/12/defining_a_raci.html

Due to his multi-ethnic heritage, I am always interested in his observations on race, and I feel he does a remarkable job weighing facts without personal or emotional bias.

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By: Steve http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16039 Mon, 27 Nov 2006 11:46:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16039 Multiple definitions might help make the terms a little clearer.

1. Epistemology

2. Ontology

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By: ACS http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16038 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 23:01:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16038 I was going to write a long post about freedom of speech and the oppresion of hegemonic control of language and ideas through political correctness and shaming but in the end you’re right – he’s a twat.

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By: Friedrich http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16037 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 07:04:46 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16037 racisim is dead. racism remains dead. and we have killed it. how shall we, murderers of all murderers, console ourselves?

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By: Ben http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16036 Thu, 23 Nov 2006 05:41:06 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16036 Yes I agree…
“I’m with Alan. Can someone explain, in plain english, what ontology and epistemology mean in this context?”

What is the meaning in context for normal folk like myself?

cheers,

http://www.webexperts.co.nz

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By: Matthew Skala http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16035 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 13:11:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16035 CONTEXT PLS

I don’t watch US television, and it’s quite often the case that when you post items about current US news stories here, I don’t know what you’re talking about. Searching in Google News gave me a rough idea for this one, but that’s problematic because what’s on there right now is reactions to the reactions to the reactions to the incident, instead of information about the actual incident itself (which is now yesterday’s news and long dead). You generally do a pretty good job of summarizing the context for the law-related items; that would be welcome for the “current events” type of items also.

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16034 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 11:50:48 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16034 I’m with Alan. Can someone explain, in plain english, what ontology and epistemology mean in this context?

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By: Ben http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16033 Wed, 22 Nov 2006 06:19:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16033 interesting just stumbled across it. What is freedom though? and what responsibility comes with that?
cheers,
http://www.webexperts.co.nz

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By: Donny Pauling http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16032 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 23:09:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16032 I seriously doubt he’s a racist…

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By: Alan Green http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16031 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 19:26:05 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16031 Merriam-Webster on “ontology” and “epistemology“. Unfortunately, reading the dictionary definitions makes me feel even more stupid. :)

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By: Bryan Wilhite http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16030 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 17:50:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16030 “Racist” is a highly-specific target. It confines the argument down to a simple object any “good” soldier can hit. But eventually someone says that the study of war is over and the question, “Is he a racist?” is a waste of time.

Here’s my new question: Does he take for granted the Greek concept of the polis?

Answers:

Lessig: yes
Stupid comedian: yes
Almost every person that will post comments to this Blog: yes

Once Greco-Roman consciousness in particular and imperial thought in general (because imperialism is multicultural) is taken for granted and mistaken as “natural,” then we are ready to “defend our country” and represent the sole “voice of reason” in future conversations.

Lessig, dude, I write these notes for future researchers hundreds of years from now… I think I’m putting “easter eggs” in the giant web application…

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By: Judson http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16029 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 16:00:54 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16029 Interesting idea, it reminded me of a argument going on in wikipedia now on the homophobia article. The debate is basically whether the term homophobe can be a category we put people in based on their actions alone, or if their own personal dislike for the term requires them to be excluded. For example, if you say, “I hate gays” are you a homophobe, even if you don’t accept the category at all?

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By: Crosbie Fitch http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16028 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 14:01:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16028 It may not have been acceptable (and apparently wasn’t), but if a racist would use that language, then presumably an actor would use it too – especially an improv method actor.

If you are religiously devout can you still blaspheme in the pulpit whilst parodying a hypocritically atheist audience? At what point would a congregation feel accuracy became indistinguishable from enthusiasm and committed them all to sacrilege?

Leaving aside the question of whether Richards is a racist or not…

Another question is: is someone who fails to make it clear they are method acting a racist, nevertheless guilty of racism and incitement to race hatred? Does this constitute negligence of equivalent harm?

If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck, is it forgivable for people to shoot it for supper?

If there isn’t equivalent harm then a shelter is created – unless it is explicitly prevented from re-use, e.g. pretend to be a racist once and it’s challenging, but twice and it’s a point of view?

Conversely if there was ample evidence that someone was on stage with their scruples left in the dressing room, with a no-holds-barred license to manipulate and challenge the audience, perhaps there should be a lesser offense?

Can you tell a deliberately controversial, envelope pushing, fringe comedy act from a racist comedian invited to perform at a political rally?

I have been to shows where poor comedians insulted and offended the stunned and silent audience who were obviously wondering if perhaps their horror was supposed to entertain the comedian. But, I wouldn’t necessarily want to prohibit spaces in which people had the freedom to summon all manner of demons by way of experimentation. You’d only prohibit this being exploited as a political platform.

At the end of the day, maybe we can only deduce that Richards did not amuse his audience as much as some of them had hoped?

That his performance has now been taken out of context, his act may more easily be misconstrued, e.g. as a washed up comedian who in self-recognition of his inability to amuse outed himself as a closet racist.

What will end up being recorded in the history books eh?

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By: Charles Thomas http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16027 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 12:05:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16027 Racist? Doubtful- the better part of his tirade was subtle meta-comment on the nature of the back and forth (evidenced by the “Does that shock you?” jag he took). As any Borscht Belt comic would tell you, never give a heckler the last word.

However, he should absolutely not have gone that route. While it’s definitely possible for comics to do a routine about race (see the Dave Chapelle/Wayne Brady sketch) , that’s not what he was doing. He was essentially shouting the n-word at people, which is completely unacceptable.

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By: Crosbie Fitch http://www.lessig.org/2006/11/is-he-a-racist/#comment-16026 Tue, 21 Nov 2006 10:05:11 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2006/11/is_he_a_racist.html#comment-16026 One thing more powerful than freedom of speech is opprobrium.

Whether an experiment in method acting the audience’s repressed, subconscious racism, or an excursion into his own racism for shock value, society will judge according to its ability – and rarely chooses the option that incriminates itself.

NB I of course recognise that incitement to violence or hatred (among other things) is not included within freedom of speech.

When you flirt at the boundaries between acting and being, especially if you blur the distinguishing characteristics, then you may be judged by a confused audience.

What I’m confused by is Richards’ triplication. Is this a ‘thrice is truth’ superstition of his or something?

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