Comments on: “What can I do?” http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: anon http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19940 Sun, 12 Jun 2005 04:27:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19940 I took the time to look at the post Hiro suggests:

The site is boychat.org — it seems to be a boy lovers site though I could be wrong, I found it to disturbing to examine the site. But, as I say, I looked at the post Hiro referred to:

The author writes:

“I can’t honestly say that I would be immune to the temptations to which Hanson was exposed if I found myself in his position. I would like to think so; I think I have a strong sense of ethical and moral values that precludes taking advantage of other people — including other people sexually, but in the face of overwhelming temptation? A school full of gorgeous choirboys?”

The author continues: “Hanson’s observation that to get a great boychoir, you have to sexualize the boys. Well, that’s self-serving and an exaggeration, but there is truth to it…”

In a follow up to his original post the author concludes: “The American Boychoir will not survive this and we will not see another boychoir of its calibre emerge in the U.S., not until the hysteria ends and boylovers again take their rightful place in society — not something I expect to happen in my lifetime.”

This is pretty sick stuff. If its the attitude of the current administration of the boychoir…

Hiro Gekko, get a life!!!

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By: Hiro Gekko http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19939 Thu, 09 Jun 2005 12:13:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19939 Wanna know what the peds themselves are saying? You yourself seem to be gagging slightly on all the accolades of “bravery” and “heroism”. Because maybe you fear that you don’t REALLY deserve them.

I don’t suppose you are religious. But what if you have to meet the shade of Don Hanson? Or Benjamin Britten? Are you being honest? What makes great music? Great art? How are boys to become men? Are boys the sexless little darlings of the contemporary liberal imagination? Think back — you seem capable of it.

Who fucked up John Hardwicke’s life? Was it Don Hanson? The American Boychoir School? Or Emily Samuelson? Is it ALWAYS somebody else’s fault?

You know something about music. And you know how tedious unrelieved euphony can be. Try a dissonant chord. It worked for Haydn; maybe it will work for you. Read the following thread — the whole goddammned thread. Maybe — just maybe — it will keep you from wrecking the only first rate boychoir in the United States.

http://www.boychat.org/messages/920060.htm

Or do you just want to listen to a crowd of vacuous cheerleaders tell you how “wonderful” and “brave” and “heroic” you are?

Does music still mean anything to you? You might try listening to Britten’s The Turn of the Screw and then ask yourself, “Who killed Miles?”

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By: Robert http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19938 Tue, 31 May 2005 01:16:38 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19938 Prof. Lessig: What a story, you are incredibly brave. You represent a great role model for future generations.

I hope you are successful in your fight.

Robert in Indianapolis

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By: SongZilla Blogger http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19937 Mon, 30 May 2005 18:05:51 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19937 Do all adults have fear? I fear only mountain lions, great white sharks, prison, paralysis, cancer, and Man’s dark side. Mostly I fear for my boys, 10 and 12.

I have worried, and still worry, whether something of this nature has or will happen to my sons, and there seems to be no quarter in any institution, public or private.

Our experience has been that religion can be a great cloak that will conceal true evil, and that private institutions run the range from the rare embodiment of true altruism, to the more common relflection of the dark side of Man’s soul. Public institutions, meanwhile, work to cull independent thinking and creativity from the herd, to catgeorize those who have it diseased.

It should not be this dangerous to be a child.

There is a need for heros, thank you, sir.

And I understand there is no substantial accountability for private educational institutions in my state, California.

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By: Peeter P. Mõtsküla http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19936 Mon, 30 May 2005 04:45:12 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19936 Money is really not the only concern of the church. The main concern is control, and money closes in as second.

A true believer doesn’t need a church to act as a middleman between him/her and his/her god. The church is not established FOR believers, but in order to control them while at the same time allowing the controllers to benefit from those controlled.

The church follows the same old communication model that is so much cherished by totalitarian states, big media corporations, major record labels and the ??AA-type organisations: one-to-many (“WE know the ultimate truth, YOU shall listen and obey) as opposed to many-to-many communication between free people.

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By: Cairo Otaibi http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19935 Sun, 29 May 2005 09:04:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19935 without the p- and b- words there is much to be learned from the story. to me it is also a case of leadership, or the answer to the question “what can i do?”

after reading your blog i did go and read the inital story: it is painful to read, it is deeply touching, it is violently real.

there is no legislation that will ever discharge you of responsability, the question remains, what can i do?

you are being responsible.

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By: Eric Eldred http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19934 Sun, 29 May 2005 08:59:57 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19934 My comments to follow pertain to the Roman Catholic Church, so they may not be strictly on topic.

I don’t have the links at hand, but the London Observer ran a couple of stories about the Roman Catholic Church and child sex abuse.

One of their revelations was, from a lawsuit in Texas, that the church’s office of the congregation of the faith (inquisition) issued a secret order in 1986 I believe requiring any sex abuse cases that involve the confessional (a sacrament) to be handled by a secret tribunal of the Inquisition. It seems the confessional has been a favorite tool of pedophile priests to recruit new victims.

The U.S. Conference of Bishops later issued a statement ordering church members to report cases of sex abuse to the police or authorities. I don’t believe they addressed cases involving the confessional. The 1986 order was I believe reaffirmed by Cardinal Ratzinger before he became Pope Benedict. The Pope has been accused of covering up cases of sex abuse in Mexico that were reported to him as head of the Inquisition.

I am not a Catholic but I have to believe that the Church wishes to maintain its own control over sacramental matters, including cases of sex abuse that relate to the confessional.
This may include not involving the police in a timely fashion.
Perhaps this is a reason thousands of priests have been implicated in sex abuse and bishops have in the past not reported cases to the police but instead transferred them to other parishes, in an effort to avoid public scandal.

I have no answer to child sex abuse. But I am disturbed by the way it is being handled in Florida, where I spent the winter. There the authorities are putting up posters in neighborhoods of convicted sex offenders, including their pictures and addresses. One offender committed suicide because of this. The state has passed a law requiring lifetime GPS ankle bracelets to track offenders. I wonder if homosexuals and homeless people will be next. Anything to preserve property values, I suppose, and civil liberties go out the window even if the measures to control abuse are not effective, only punitive.

Anyway, I would encourage district attorneys to subpoena bishops and priests to uncover these secret orders from Rome and testify before grand juries as to what cases involving Catholic priests have not been reported. Victim organizations can do the same, but perhaps the statute of limitations would have run out in some cases.

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By: anon http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19933 Sun, 29 May 2005 02:06:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19933 Is Hardwicke doing anything about the other two states as well? That would be useful.

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By: james mcmurry http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19932 Sat, 28 May 2005 17:02:09 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19932 Followup:

I did find where not the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, but the New Jersey Catholic Conference is:

“The New Jersey Catholic Conference (NJCC), the lobbying arm of the state’s Catholic bishops, is urging lawmakers to set time limits on how far back the legislation would apply retroactively.”

Since they feel that changing the law retroactively would cause them undue harm probably. It is an interesting thing, I always thought you could not change a law retroactively??? Like making something Legal, now Illegal (I am not in any way connected to Law, so this is why I am confused on this part???)

Since New Jersey is only one of three states that have this immunity, there needs to be pressure applied by the residents of those states to ensure this never occurs again by removing immunity. As for going retroactively, I have no idea. Has this been done before? (retroactively changing a law, and thus opening up people to lawsuits that they were not before under the old law?) If it does happen retroactively, can this be applied by the state or federal government as precedence in other cases totally not related to child molestation, but in drug cases (ie – the state saying they are retroactively changing drug laws to say there is no longer a misdeamnor but all drug charges are now federal felony cases and that applies to everyone who has already been arrested in the past????)

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By: james mcmurry http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19931 Sat, 28 May 2005 16:46:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19931 I can type forgive me….

Filing

NO ONE

etc

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By: james mcmurry http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19930 Sat, 28 May 2005 16:44:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19930 Prof Lessig

(following AKMA.. :) )
As a non-resident of New Jersey and as a Roman Catholic, I was wondering if you could point me to the filing done by the US Conference of Catholic Bishops as I could find nothing of the sort on their web site http://www.usccb.org

As a father, and a Catholic, I strongly believe that NO ON should have any immunity, especially when it comes to our Children.

Having this filinf will make it easier in pressing the issue with the USCCB, and of knowing of the intent of the filing.

thank you

jm

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By: AKMA http://www.lessig.org/2005/05/what-can-i-do/#comment-19929 Sat, 28 May 2005 16:05:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2005/05/what_can_i_do.html#comment-19929 Prof. Lessig, as a non-resident of New Jersey and as a non-Roman Catholic, I’m not sure how I can help — but I’ll follow the link, and I’ll blog about it. If there’s any way an Illinoisian Anglican theologian/priest can be helpful, I expect that you can see it better than I, so feel free to enlist me in whatever capacity you need.

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