Comments on: this comment by in a comment captures it best http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/ Blog, news, books Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Anke http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-29431 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 05:20:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-29431 That is a great tip particularly to those new to the blogosphere.
Short but very accurate info… Thank you for sharing this one.
A must read article!

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By: Claire http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22077 Wed, 08 Dec 2004 00:57:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22077 I wondering if we will ever evolve to rule by consensus.
I think everyone wants the same things, it’s just that HOW to guarentee those things to everyone can’t be done by majority rule. Too many people are left dissatisfied. There have to be ways to work things out to the relative satisfaction of all. If not, then this is a pitiful indictment of our human intelligence.

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By: CodeWarrior http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22076 Sat, 04 Dec 2004 15:26:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22076 By the way…this country has a “constitutional republic with a strong democratic tradition”…it is not, nor has it ever been a democracy. The Greeks had a democracy…and some have said that a democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what’s for dinner.
:)
~Code

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By: Max Nigh http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22075 Thu, 18 Nov 2004 15:58:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22075 Why such emphasis on Pro-Life, with democarcy at stake.
Pro – lifers must have the same problem many have in this country, with logic tight thinkng compartments. Ok, to kill pregnant women, and young men with all your weapons
Young men we have spent from womb to young manhood with food, gjidance, education, and are ready to make a contribution to society. Killing pregnant women ought to be an unforgivable sin. I thnk the young man is worse sin.
Nobody is standing in front of the white house and objecting to killing young men. Yet , in some narrowminded souls they post themselves in front of “Family PLanning”, and shoot doctors. This and other activites such as Iraq , we are a sick nation.

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By: raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22074 Wed, 10 Nov 2004 17:35:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22074 “I believe Kerry is corrupt.”

I agree.

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By: Rob Myers http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22073 Wed, 10 Nov 2004 15:44:26 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22073 One for the Mice:

“A number of states have enacted (or may soon pass) laws that allow pharmacists to refuse to dispense birth control if their beliefs (read: fundamentalist Christian dogma) dictate otherwise.”

http://www.boingboing.net/2004/11/10/us_druggists_refuse_.html

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By: Texas Idiot http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22072 Wed, 10 Nov 2004 14:15:41 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22072 Raoul,

Texas Idiot again. Well maybe we can start over. My view on Moore’s Bush and Iraq is like yours. I believe but with minor differences. I too grew up in the oilpatch , traveled the world following Phillips Petroleum and family. I saw the same as you. I don’t even doubt Bush is corrupt, but I believe Kerry is corrupt. Also Moore didn’t prove shit with his tripe. It was created as propaganda and that’s exactly what it was. I hate propaganda but not as much as I hate people that try to pass it off as proof and fact.
As for Bush, he won but Kerry would show no difference as they each would follow America’s power rules. In my opinion they and the US goverment are raping America just as sure as the CEO and corporate suits raped Enron, Adelphia, Tyco, Worldcom and the rest of the small investors.
Our only chance at anything is if we could figure a way to toss them all and start over. I am a realist though and what would arise in the ashes of that would not be a pretty site.
I am at a loss as I voted for Perot long ago and received Clinton in return. He claims credit for the longest boom in US history, just like Gore claims credit for the Internet. Yet accepts no blame for anything. Just like all the latest presidents or their parties. It’a all Spin city as they try to continue to keep the American People in the dark.
I watched as the two parties banded together to pass tougher laws after Perot’s 1st run to make it even tougher to get on the ballot in the future.
I sit in disgust over our American system as the deficits rise, congress votes itself exemptions and raises, the justice system sends marijuana users to prison for 20 years and then gives child molesting priests a free ride. They are all corrupt and I can’t think of a damn thing to do to stop them that wouldn’t make it worse.
Well as a Christian ( Not the far right ones ) I just fall back on knowing it will be dealt with in time. Yet, I’m just as bad and hippocritical as I desire to introduce them all to Jesus ahead of time. Good Hunting Raoul!

Texas Idiot

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By: Raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22071 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 20:37:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22071 mY KINGDOM FOR A TYPIST!

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By: raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22070 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 18:40:00 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22070 Well that’s entirely to reasonable of a response. I took a shot in the dark thing about not being from Texas. I knew it was long shot but what the hell.

I’m not a Kerry guy either. He’s far too much of a wimp. Albeit a wimp who has killed at close range. The only things I’ve ever killed have feathers, fins, shells or four legs.

I would have voted for anyone other than Bush. I vote for incumbent based upon there performance. However you cut it Bush has performed poorly. If one wants to give the guy a second chance after he blew it then that’s ok.

As far as M. Moore’s film goes it’s more true than not. I have extensive experience, since I was a toddler, at observing “oilmen” in action. Additionally, I’ve played that role myself a time or two. The power of the lust for the free money that comes out of holes punched in the ground is the most fearsome force I have ever seen. I know people who have killed close family members (true), cheated, lied and stole to get their hands on it. It’s quite an amazing sensation.

Bush and Cheney went into Iraq for oil. The logic is not unsound, we need the oil for strategic purposes and we need to keep it out of the hands of the Arabs for strategic purposes. Ok fine. I disagree, but at least its rational. Further, its also rational to lie to the American people about the real reasons because telling them the truth isn�t going to work. However, Bush got caught red handed making stuff up. And then to boot, they either didn�t have enough boots on the ground or they blew it when they disbanded the Iraqi army and went after all of the mid and lower level Baathists. It would be funny if not so tragic. Every choice of the Bush Administration has been a failure, and obvious ones at that. Iraq will be lost to the Shia fundamentalists which will destabilize the entire Mid-East.

However, the invasion and occupation is not any worse than the sanctions. Has we not intervened in the first gulf war and reinstated the Kuwaiti dictatorship, 9/11 never would have happened and oil would never have gone over $35 a barrel. Saddam would have kept on fighting the very same Islamic fundamentalists we are fighting today. However, Bush just couldn�t let his personal oil interests in Bahrain [sic?] be threatened or his Whabbie [sic?] buddies in the House of Saud.

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By: Texas Idiot http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22069 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 15:29:37 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22069 Raoul,

This is your blogging bud “Texas Idiot”. Good return on that “Alomist” that gets us close to even. I was pretty sure yours was a typo but I went ahead and used it for my own amusement. For that there is no excuse but only a reason. I was tired and annoyed at all the Bush bashing.
I understand that we need Democrats as well as Republicans in this country. It’s our balance of power along with the constitution and the three branches of goverment. We need all of us.
I have my differences with the “carpetbagger” and continue to watch him closely. At the same time I had more trouble with Michael Moore and his film, which I considered pure propaganda trash. I wonder if he helped your cause?
And of course I am not comfortable with whom I consider the strongest liberal in goverment Kerry being elected President.
I am not comfortable with all of the trash being tossed at Bush supporters. I won’t drag this on except to tell you I voted for Bush. I did so for many reasons. You voted the opposite for many reasons. What we have to find to rebuild America is to find common ground. The first exchange is not a good start. Hopefully this will be better.

It might be necessary to deal with the far left and the far right. Neither of those groups seems willing to compromise. The coalition that needs to be formed to save America is from middle left to middle right and everything in between.
We, all of us, have to find a great leader, a bipartisan leader who can unite the parties into one nation and start the country in the right direction again. Bush isn’t close, neither is Kerry.
So you know anybody both parties could accept? No political baggage, no favors owed, no ties to the left or right. A moderate maybe. Great orator, strong moral fiber, and the understanding and patience of God. Sorry no ideas here.

Now my family only goes back four generations in Texas so I am native. I did go to school overseas in Europe for 4 years or so prior and I met the proverbial “Ugly American” there… It was me!
And if you still want my address after this response. Respond back and we will see.

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By: raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22068 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 13:40:28 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22068 Still not sure what “Alomist” means.

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By: raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22067 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 12:56:40 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22067 �And if you do �cede� ( Ha I�m still laughing ) you can bet Texas, the South, and the Midwest won�t be going with you cause we don�t really like you Yankees down here right about now! And if you aren�t Yankee then you must be Californian.�

Well lets get a few things straight here:

First �cede� was the result of a typo and my spell check. No excuse but what hell.

Second and more importantly you have yourself in your own idiotic predicament. George W. Bush is not a Texan but a dirty, filthy carpet bagging Yankee. He is from Kennabunkport [sic, spelling again] Maine and a graduate of Yale. The UT Texas law school laughed at his application.

As for me, my Texan credentials are impeccable. I am a fifth generation Texan. Both of my great, great grandfathers fought in the War for Texas Independence and the civil war on the side of the confederacy. Both were bonafide war heros who served with distinction at the battle of San Jacinto [sic, what can I tell ya], among others, received land grants from the state of Texas and one of whom is buried right next to Stephen F. Austin in the Texas state cemetery. My great grand father, on my mothers side brought in the second high pressure oil field in the state of Texas with a and pump. He and his kin were also practically singlehandedly responsible for killing all of the native black bear in South East Texas, deforesting the old growth Lop Lolly Pine and polluting the gulf coast with oil production.

Let me guess you�re really not from Texas are you? You moved there from some place else right?

As far as California goes, it happens to be the largest producer of Agriculture in the US.

�OK, maybe you would enjoy living under the Taliban! They really appreciate women.� Alomist as much as the fundamentalists in this country.

�And don�t even think about how you would like to kick our ass, you haven�t won a fight in you life!�

How �bout your address. Let�s find out.

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By: scott http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22066 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 08:27:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22066 http://fromasadamerican.blogspot.com/2004/11/how-you-could-have-had-my-vote.html

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22065 Tue, 09 Nov 2004 07:06:44 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22065 The line. Anyone posting below this has carried the conversation on for far too long:
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By: adamsj http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22064 Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:28:10 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22064 I like Texas–it’s my kind of place:

Valdez takes sheriff race

She becomes first Democrat to win post in 3 decades, first lesbian to ever be elected; analysts credit GLBT and women voters

By David Webb

Lupe Valdez, the first Hispanic, and the first lesbian to be elected to public office in Dallas County, won the sheriff�s race by a two-point margin Tuesday.

Valdez grabbed the spot from her Republican opponent, Danny Chandler, with 51 percent of the vote. She is the first Democrat to win the post in three decades…

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By: Wimpy http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22063 Mon, 08 Nov 2004 16:19:20 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22063 Way to go Texas!

Ok let’s be serious. All I hear is from the Democrats is how we are in trouble. Well pull your heads out of your ass and look outside the USA. It’s universal, it’s all over, it’s humanity at it’s finest.

Reading these blogs and hearing some intellectual idiots proclaim that we might just be in trouble because of one man is just amazingly asinine.
We are in trouble because humanity is full of itself. We think we are the center of the universe, the center of life, we are the greatest thing in creation. Well if we are the greatest thing in creation I hope it’s starts over from scratch soon.

One man and these “smart educated” idiots think were in trouble. The terrorists had not a damn thing to do with it. War had nothing to do with it. Religion was not involved. Ego does not exist. It’s all one guys fault, we are going to blame him for everything bad that happens.
All of you bashers are unbelievably simple minded. Think a little deeper, deeper and realize it’s us HUMANS, that are responsible for everything and quit trying to pass the responsibility to everyone else. Think “long term” not four years. Good god it’s like you were educated in a vacuum and can’t think past your own propaganda.
Wars, Religions, Death, Murder, Greed, EGO have been around us since we first began to THINK! Are WE in any way responsible since we are each human just like Bush and Kerry.
Blaming ANYONE is being chickenshit. Get your ego out of the way and accept that YOU are part of humanity and part of the problem.

OK. I will start! I am HUMAN and part of the problem! Now all of you stupid humans whatever your beliefs do the same and maybe we can start making some changes.

I know better! You won’t do shit! Why? BECAUSE WE ARE HUMAN ! I will see you all in HELL or not, who the hell knows.

P.S. Did everyone know the sky is falling? It’s Bush’s fault.

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By: Texas Idiot http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22062 Mon, 08 Nov 2004 15:48:55 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22062 �whom the Democratic Party has repeatedly mocked, ridiculed, called stupid/ignorant/intolerant, and excluded for the past 30 or so years�

That�s because they are stupid/ignorant/ and intolerant.

Throw a little more stupid/ignorant/ and intolerant acts onto the fire and we will just have to cede from the US. We�ll take all of our superior knowhow and technology and leave you all back in the 19th century where you belong.

Whoa there boy! And I mean BOY! Don’t try to pretend you self centered elitist biggots have all the technology or power! Go ahead and all of you big city liberals “cede” from America ( That is hilarious ). I believe you meant secede Mr. intellectual. Here’s a google definition for you son! Cede “To formally surrender ownership or control of something to another party, as in the cession of land by treaty”. That’s perfect! Feel free to leave all your land and belongings behind like the idiot Palestinians and become homeless, feel free to move it on out.
And if I explain the difference between cede and secede real, real slow maybe your advanced I.Q. brain can handle it. I bet you graduated college at the top of your class up north didn’t you son? And if you do “cede” ( Ha I’m still laughing ) you can bet Texas, the South, and the Midwest won’t be going with you cause we don’t really like you Yankees down here right about now! And if you aren’t Yankee then you must be Californian. Well whatever you are, just cosy on up with each other and scoot on out of here. I mean get going BOY!

I want you to have a blast trying to find something to eat without the Center of America to feed you BOY! The big city might be all powerful to you but I’m pretty sure they don’t grow much food there.

I’m just wondering where you boys figure on moving to? Russia? China? Whoa you might have to stand in front of a tank in China boy! Well then how about India, not bad but they sure don’t like the Pakistanies? And vise versa. Iraq? Saddam Hussein was a great leader and such a friend of the American liberal too. How about those Islamic fundamentalist? Iran is the greatest! Gooooooo Iran! Allah is great and we love you so much we chop off your head! You steal we chop off hand, you have sex …. oooooooooh.
OK, maybe you would enjoy living under the Taliban! They really appreciate women. “no school women! You work have babies, that’s all”. And of course their favorite cash crop opium, wouldn’t you like to contribute to the corruption of America. I wonder if THEY support same sex marriage? I wonder if they support abortion?
Maybe you would enjoy Somalia? How about Libya? Great places for a liberal Democratic American don’t you think. Of course if you “cede” ( can’t stop laughing) from the union you won’t have any money and it might not be very pleasant. All your women couldn’t go out in public without male escort, or drive, and heaven forbid if they fool around with someone or try to get a divorce. Oooooooh I heard that get’s ugly. They still stone women for that don’t the? And take a bunch of bedsheets with you as all your liberal women can’t show a bit of skin or their face. Well with them liberal ladies that last part sounds pretty darn supportable on your new party platform. Oh wait did I not tell you they DON’T VOTE over there in those countries.
Sorry I can’t hear you BOY! Maybe you would rather be a suicide bomber and become a martyr? It would save you from having to move to Canada and “cede” from America. ( God, this laughing is beginning to hurt). I hear 12 beautiful VIRGINS meet you at the gates of heaven! Oh, sorry I guess some might prefer 12 Virgin Twinkies!

As for Canada that’s a nice progressive country still heavely associated with the Monarchy in Great Britain isn’t it. Well of course except for Quebec which is trying to “cede” ( lol ) from the rest and tie up with the French. Do you speak French? I hear they love liberal Americans.

And don’t even think about how you would like to kick our ass, you haven’t won a fight in you life! Oh I’m sorry you don’t believe in fighting do you! Well I believe us country boys sure do! In fact we kind of think of it as a hobby. We go out and shoot Bambi when she’s in season. maybe we can get you an escort out. Most of the American patriots and fighters over in Afghanistan and Iraq might just escort you right on out of here anywhere you want to go. Take a hike, adios, vamoose. Don’t let the door hit you in the ass!

Oooooh that felt good I see what you were doing now. A little verbal therapy. Makes you feel good all over.

That wasn’t very civil of me was it? I feel better but I know it’s meaningless. I just wanted you to feel some of what you have been dishing out. It’s easy to ignore you but you left yourself open for that! It is such a waste of time and energy? Oh yea, energy? What are you gonna do without…. sorry, forget it…It doesn’t bring out very good thoughts does it? So are you having fun? My suggestion to you is to back down and realize that those words of mine above don’t change you, me, or a damn thing. And neither do yours. Boy! lol

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By: John M http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22061 Sun, 07 Nov 2004 17:05:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22061 I must concur with CodeWarrior about the coming repression. In my life I have never feared for the future of the Republic before now. What I�m about to suggest has no basis in fact, and is merely something I believe could be a possibility, but some of Bush�s recent behavior does support the possibility.

First, there�s the Patriot Act. No one who takes a serious look at the powers given the federal government in this act can see as anything other than a major erosion of Constitutional protections. The Bush administration wants to expand those powers. George Bush has effectively suspended habeas corpus for people that he (and he alone) categorizes as “enemy combatants.” The U.S. Supreme Court, as conservative as it is, has rebuked this position, but the indications are the Administration is simply ignoring the ruling.

I think we all realize there will most likely be another terrorist attack. We all know its more a matter of “when” than “if.” When it happens, I am genuinely afraid that Bush will declare Marshal Law, and perhaps even suspend habeas corpus. It is not totally out of line with some directions the administration has taken, and it is not without precedent in the U.S. Remember that Lincoln did it during the Civil War.

Now, the little knowledge I have about it is that Lincoln did it with anguish, and restored the government as quickly as possible. Given that George told Bob Woodard that a Dictatorship was a good thing so long as he was dicator, I don�t see his Administration being in any hurry to restore rights, and Bush seems to brag about how he doesn�t anguish over decisions.

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By: CodeWarrior http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22060 Sun, 07 Nov 2004 16:41:35 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22060 We are in for some scary, serious, liberty depriving times my droogs (to use A Clockwork Orange, Anthony Burgess’ lingo).

In Texas, the oppression has begun in earnest. What our children think, can, in part, be determined by what they are taught, and tested about, in school.

Well, the religious, “faith based” right wing has begun their
initial volley.

Here’s what I am talking about.

Yesterday, outside a restaurant I went to..there were newsstand/vending machines for two papers in Texas. One was a Dallas paper (Dallas Morning News) and the other was for a smaller city.

The HEADLINES of both were interesting. They were not about Fallujah, not about the Economy, not about Arafat…they were about Texas schoolbooks.

The Dallas Morning News article was proclaiming that the textbooks would now carry a strong message about the importance of abstinence from pre-marital sex. The other paper had a headline about major textbook publishers such as Holt Rhinehart Winston, agreeing, apparently under pressure now, to change their definition of marriage, to one which specifically states that marriage is relationship between a man and a woman.

From:
http://newstandardnews.net/content/?action=show_item&itemid=1203
Nov 7 – The Texas Board of Education has approved new health textbooks that specifically define marriage as between one man and one woman and focus on abstinence only sex education. The decision comes after the board pressured the publishers to change what one board member referred to as “asexual stealth phrases” in favor of more gender-specific language, reports the Associated Press.

At the Board�s request, publishers Glencoe/McGraw-Hill and Holt Rinehart & Winston, changed the phrases “married partners” to “husband and wife.” According to the AP, Holt Rinehart & Winston included the definition of marriage as a “lifelong union between a husband and a wife,” while Glencoe/McGraw-Hill changed “when two people marry” to “when a man and a woman marry” and “partners” to “husbands and wives.”

The Board also chose textbooks that all but leave out contraception as an option for preventing pregnancy or sexually transmitted diseases. According to Reuters, three out of four approved texts fail to mention contraception at all, while one only mentions condoms in passing.

The Board�s critics said that in addition to putting teens at risk, the decision may violate state regulations, which require sex education curriculum to include information about contraception. Board members countered that the books were satisfactory because information about contraceptives is included in teaching supplements or teachers� editions.”

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Look, we are headed for scary, scary times as a result of the Bush election (not re-election because in my opinion, he was SELECTED by the Supreme Court, not ELECTED). Wrap the McCarthyism of the 50s, the Salem Witch Trials, and the Spanish Inquisition into a nice slimy ball, and you have a small sampling of what we are in for during the next four years.

( The above, from my blog at:
http://codewarriorz.blogspot.com )

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By: three blind mice http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22059 Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:34:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22059 Holy cow batman. I agree with the three blind mice. How can you be so right on with the above two points and be so wrong on the IP issue. It�s astounding. Seemingly good and rational here but yet so willing to buy into the big lie that art is somehow property.

well, raoul, maybe it’s because we are not “so wrong on the IP issue.” :-)

I don�t think strategy decisions always boil down to hypocrisy. Public opposition to birth control pills would be political suicide (I think/hope) given where our country is today. Activists pick their battles.

cstuart, this is by definition political opportunism. saving tens of “lives” from being murdered by stem cell researchers while turning a blind eye to the “murders” of tens of thousands because opposition to the latter would be seen as politcal suicide is hardly an expression of any “moral value” we recognize.

similarly, for those of us with some sense of history, it is not forgotten that first slavery and then segregation were defended on the basis of those same “moral values” (and from those same x-tian pulpits) which today are being used to viilify and demonize abortion and gay marriage.

these and the many other contradictions upon which the GOP has made its foundations make it a house of cards ready to collapse at the first strong wind.

this election showed that the american left (if there is such a thing) cannot produce more than a breeze, but do not think yourself impervious to the storms of constitutional discontent that are darkening on your horizons.

bush was right about one thing: freedom is on the march.

and when it arrives your bastille will be stormed and its inhabitants and defenders – and their napoleon – will be out of power for generations.

no retreat, no surrender!

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By: three blind mice http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22058 Sun, 07 Nov 2004 09:32:47 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22058 Holy cow batman. I agree with the three blind mice. How can you be so right on with the above two points and be so wrong on the IP issue. It�s astounding. Seemingly good and rational here but yet so willing to buy into the big lie that art is somehow property.

well, raoul, maybe it’s because we are not “so wrong on the IP issue.” :-)

I don�t think strategy decisions always boil down to hypocrisy. Public opposition to birth control pills would be political suicide (I think/hope) given where our country is today. Activists pick their battles.

cstuart, this is by definition political opportunism. saving tens of “lives” from being murdered by stem cell researchers while turning a blind eye to the “murders” of tens of thousands because opposition to the latter would be seen as politcal suicide is hardly an expression of any “moral value” we recognize.

similarly, for those of us with some sense of history, it is not forgotten that first slavery and then segregation were defended on the basis of those same “moral values” (and from those same x-tian pulpits) which today are being used to viilify and demonize abortion and gay marriage.

these and the many other contradictions upon which the GOP has made its foundations make it a house of cards ready to collapse at the first strong wind.

this election showed that the american left (if there is such a thing) cannot produce more than a breeze, but do not think yourself impervious to the storms of constitutional discontent that are darkening on your horizons.

bush was right about one thing: freedom is on the march.

and when it arrives your bastille will be stormed and its inhabitants and defenders – and their napoleon – will be out of power for generations.

no retreat, no surrender!

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By: raoul http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22057 Sun, 07 Nov 2004 00:26:36 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22057 �Americans and Europeans may share many things, but death and suffering on this scale is not one of them.

America may well be the new Europe, but forgetting the history of �Old� Europe is a bad way of starting off.

Ignore the rhetoric from Europe and our past will be your future�

�the republicans use abortion and other social issues as a wedge issue to divide the country – not because of any moral belief.

when the republicans campaign to outlaw the birth control pill – and subject the 10 million american women who use it to criminal prosecution – then they can claim the moral high ground.

until then they are nothing more than political opportunists.�

Holy cow batman. I agree with the three blind mice. How can you be so right on with the above two points and be so wrong on the IP issue. It�s astounding. Seemingly good and rational here but yet so willing to buy into the big lie that art is somehow property.

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By: Dave C http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22056 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 23:53:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22056 Oops! Need to re-post. To understand the 2004 election and the reaction to it seen in this forum read Richard Florida’s “Creative Class War” at
http://www.creativeclass.org/creativewar.shtml

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By: Penni http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22055 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 21:01:39 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22055 The election results are the supreme triumph of marketing over truth. The Bush camp strategists took all the bloopers of the last 4 years and covered them over with “moral values”.

I’m tired of hearing the pundits talking about the Democrats “redefining” themselves. What’s there to redefine? I happen to believe that personal decisions have no place in politics or the legislature. Ergo – who or what you choose to sleep with, what and when you decide to do with your body – that’s nobody else’s (excepting your loved ones) business. THAT is what Kerry, the brave man, was saying to Americans. As a foreigner in this country, I never could understand what the fuss was all about – and was vastly relieved to hear Kerry voice it. Where I grew up, conscience, self-respect and self-discipline were taught young and endure till this day – I really don’t need the external push! Neither should all consenting adults – so government butt out. If you believe in “family values” get the families to instill the values.

What I don’t get is how 51% of Americans think it’s not OK for gay’s to marry and for women to have choice with regard to abortions and think it’s OK to start an unnecessary war based on lies (and yes, I’d bet my bottom dollar that the administration knew – does everyone here remember the indecent haste to strike) that has killed 100,000 people, to spurn the international community in several areas – UN, Kyoto, etc, to run up record deficits.

No, my friends. It’s not Bush now – it’s the American people. The hostility towards each other leaves me speechless. The hate I encounter for the rich towards the poor, for each ethnicity towards the next, between states – the list is endless. It is not a divide – this is a society fractured – the only winners are the politicians and big business.

Wake up guys. I hear people say they feel secure with Bush. Does it occur to them that if he had been on the ball BEFORE 9/11 it might never have occurred? For a country with the intelligence systems like the US, that an assault of that magnitude could happen had to be a collossal breakdown of governmental systems. And yes – it was brewing for years, fact remains, it happened on Bush’s watch.

For every one of the 100,000 Iraqi civilians killed, there will be 10 of their circle who now know grief and hate. Look at the headlines around you – spates of killing and violence rising up in previously quiescent places. I don’t think the world is safer and if everyone who voted for Bush say they don’t see it, they are dangerously blind.

Well, that leaves us where we are – with 4 more years. But until Americans start educating themselves – not about politics, but about the very basic humanity we all share, about happiness, about building yourself up by building up others, about seeking substance and substantiation over accepting smoke and mirrors, the cycle will repeat and repeat. Apparently, Pavlov would have been a non-starter here.

Final point – it came as a huge surprise to me that a lot people I know as very happy campers are on extremely high doses of anti-depressants. And apparently, this is very typical. If everything is so hunky-dory here – how come there is this pervasive misery?

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By: cstuart http://www.lessig.org/2004/11/this-comment-by-in-a-comment-c/#comment-22054 Sat, 06 Nov 2004 20:00:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/11/this_comment_by_in_a_comment_c.html#comment-22054 three blind mice:

I don’t think strategy decisions always boil down to hypocrisy. Public opposition to birth control pills would be political suicide (I think/hope) given where our country is today. Activists pick their battles.

Also: maybe ‘the republicans’ use this issue to divide the country, and aren’t interested in it based on their deep convictions. Even if that is true, don’t you think that most of the activists who actually protest at abortion clinics are there because of their convictions, regardless of how the issues (or they themselves) are being used by the party?

(And a side note: many modern birth control pills don’t work by preventing fertilized eggs from attaching to the lining of the uterus; increasingly they work to prevent ovulation and through other means.)

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