Comments on: Cameras at Concerts http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/ Blog, news, books Tue, 10 Oct 2017 06:01:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: jesika http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2946 Fri, 14 Sep 2007 01:21:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2946 to me i say it’s stupid!!! i mean you buy the ticket you want to have memories with pictures and we can’t even bring cameras? hello…..

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By: A concert going fan http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2944 Sat, 30 Dec 2006 00:28:16 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2944 So wait, you mean to tell me if I take a photo of my favorite band at a concert that I can be sued for “copyright infringement”?

I seriously hope that’s not true!

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By: hello http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2943 Tue, 05 Dec 2006 22:19:53 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2943 what the fuck ever its a free fuckig country assholes grow the fuck up and enjoy life!! fuck!!!

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By: Ashley http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2942 Tue, 25 Jul 2006 19:50:08 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2942 okay… first off i just want to say that theres nothing wrong with taking cameras anywhere, my digital cam was $400 and I will be da**ed if I cant use it. I take tons of pictures daily because i like to… if i take a picture of a flower… its cuz its pretty NOT because I want to make copies & sell it to some dumb person. As for cams at concerts, who says i just want to take it of the band?? Theres nothing wrong with me taking pictures of my fiancĂ© or my friends… I want pictures of US having fun. Yah I might take one or two of a band, but its for my personal scrapbook. maybe 2 people at a concert might somehow take pictures and sell them to a dumb idiot out there who will buy pics from someone… but everyone else shouldnt suffer! And by the way, those 2 people could also just find pics online & spruce em up & make copies & sell them. Are they going to ban printers from personal use?? If I pay for a seat at a concert, I should be able to take pictures. Im seeing whats going on & theres no reason why i cant record that for my memory when im old.

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By: Dan Marbiol http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2941 Wed, 11 Aug 2004 06:04:52 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2941 Cameras can be taken into SF MOMA – it’s more a case of getting the permission of whoever is running/sponsoring an exhibition or the owners of the artwork involved. It’s not always the easiest to get hold of them but once that’s been arranged there usually isn’t too much of an issue – I’ve taken my cameras in there more than once before…

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By: A. Sceptic http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2940 Tue, 10 Aug 2004 05:18:25 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2940 Any “Dead Heads” out there?

Ain’t it too bad the Grateful Dead never made any money as performers. Naturally they couldn’t, because they allowed and encouraged people in the audience to record their performances.

Since the audience was, thereby, ripping off the Dead, they couldn’t make any money as performers.

Somebody remind me. What was Jerry Garcia’s day job anyway?

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By: Craig Chester http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2939 Sun, 08 Aug 2004 22:23:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2939 I’d love to see camera phones go the same way as betamax and laserdisc players. Screw them, just another item people “just cant seem to live without.” Funny, that even though people could not take their camera phones in, the sun still came up the next morning, they were alive, and life goes on. Believe me, you can, in fact, live without a cell phone attached to your hip. You may realize that all of a sudden you are not one of the people that pat themselves down like they have just burst into a ball of flame after a cell phone rings in a public place.

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By: Rui Carmo http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2938 Sat, 07 Aug 2004 10:25:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2938 The European View

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By: Marty Cohn http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2937 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 21:31:21 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2937 The three biggest lies:

1. “It’s for Security reasons”.
2. “It’s for your convenience”.
3. “It’s for the children”.

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By: Damon Bacheller http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2936 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 20:34:33 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2936 Until the hysteria moves somewhere else (say, sporting events with metal detectors), do what any normal person in line would do – when you see the crazy lady screaming “They’re taking our phones – or you have to go home!!!”:

—> Just cram the phone down into your crotch area (or under your larger breast). Make sure you know how to take pictures without everyone being able to see the display LCD.

I don’t remember Avalon ever copping feels down there for paying ticketholders. Then again, times are changing…

What do I know? I’m just some guy.

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By: jim http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2935 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 19:10:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2935 i’m a professional musician, among other things. i’m what you would call “indy rock” and have been since the 1980′s. [that puts me in my 30's, so i have all too much experience in this regard.] since there’s nobody promoting my music but me, i would LOVE it if people took pictures at my shows, bootlegged the performance and traded it on the internet, etc. etc. etc. it’s really the only way for small artists to become bigger artists without a massive record company budget behind them spending millions of RECOUPABLE EXPENSES on advertising. as far as the bigger artists are concerned – it’s their management, the record company and their publisher who all are concerned about their visage as property being uncontrolled; the artist just wants to be seen. and i think most of them would agree with that if you asked them. artists don’t get paid for promotional photos, at least none that i have ever heard of, unless it’s a straight contracted product endorsement of some kind. [which i'd also love! especially if it meant i'd get free stuff! but i'm not holding my breath.]

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2934 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:10:13 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2934 Contract law principles are useless as purchasers have no bargaining power. They are left with a take it or leave proposition in which even the “original” contract terms can be unilaterally amended by the seller at anytime because again the purchasers have no power and no realistic recourse when a breach has occurred.
This is becoming an increasing problem not only at concerts; but in virtually ever physical marketplace. As customers tire of the restrictions, the physical intrusions, and the assumption that every shopper/concert goer is a potential criminal; some will reduce spending (me), many will migrate to the internet (my children) but most will probably tolerate it and justify the restrictions as a good thing. This, of course, will lead to further restrictions as when I attended a fake Beatles concert in a public space where the hired security demanded that EVERYONE SIT DOWN in the DESGINATED SEATING AREA and NO DANCING OR STANDING was allowed. I left, but the many stayed.

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By: thebassguy http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2933 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 15:06:03 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2933 I am a NY photographer, and I shoot pictures of reflections, shadows, etc. for my fine art portfolio. Last week I was shooting a reflection in a puddle in the parking lot of my local train station.

A police car pulled up and asked what I was doing and why, and demanded to see my drivers license. The cop wrote down all my info and said that they don’t want people taking any pictures near train stations, bridges, tunnels or landmarks.

So for all you NY tourists…better off going where you can take pictures….possibly Russia!? This has gotten a bit ridiculous that anyone with a camera (or a phone) could very well be a terrorist, or maybe just a tourist!

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By: mike http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2932 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:58:59 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2932 fine, ban regular cameras. in my opinion, it’s ludicrous and makes enemies more than friends, but whatever. But camera phones? They obviously have never used a camera phone, because those things are still crap. It just shows the irrational, robotic thought process that these people have.

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2931 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 14:21:32 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2931 Next thing, you’ll be wanting to take pictures in casinos…

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By: Jake http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2930 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:23:04 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2930 There’s a very simple solution to this problem– ban the taking of pictures, but not the camera. Most people didn’t bring their camera phone b/c they wanted to snap a picture. Nope, they brought it b/c they might want to talk on the phone before, during (a**wipes), or after the concert. And banning picture taking is a very effective way to prevent the use of flash photography at least.

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2929 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:21:06 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2929 From a friend of mine who works for RIAA and was at this event:

Here’s the deal. Everyone had a great time. No “chaos” in line. It was supremely well-managed, and even the club’s managers said this. Said we were the best group they have ever worked with. And more importantly, the paper invitation said quite clearly and explicitly “no cameras allowed!!”….

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By: Jonathan Martin http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2928 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:09:34 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2928 What the RIAA (and other associations [mis]-representing artists’ rights) needs is that memory-eraser gadget from the movie Men in Black. That way they could be assured that after the performance, you couldn’t rip off their production, try and reproduce the show, gain unpaid inspiration, or even hum a song, therefore profiting at the artist’s expense. This would work well in not just music, but all kinds of media — movies, TV shows, books, etc. The added benefit: “Hey, I’m going to see Return of the King today.” “Again? That’s the 17th time!” “No it’s not.”

I know this is silly, but being in mid-management I’ve heard people half-joke (and half-wish) about equally outrageous ideas.

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By: Thomas Hawk http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2927 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 13:05:14 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2927 Edward Lang wrote:

From these two comments I wonder if people are confusing public space, and private space in which there is a large public. Surely venues such as concert halls and supermarkets are private, not public, and that its the owners’ perogative whether or not to permit certain activities to be persued in those venues.

Look, let them ban cameras. I will just use my freedom of association to not associate with them and deny them of an economic benefit… at least from me (as though they care).

The Grateful Dead was one of the most succesful touring acts of all time and what did they do, the opened up their venues to recording equipment. The fans loved it. By embracing their fans rather than alienating them they profited perhaps much, much more.

I can certainly understand a prohibition against flash photography as to the argument that it distracts or that it can damage art in the case of a musuem — but banning all photography is ridiculous.

It may be the owner’s perogative on whether or not to allow photography but it is my perogative on whether or not to support the owner financially in his decision.

As an aside, I’m very much looking forward to spending my money at PacBell Park this Saturday to see the Giant’s play where they allow cameras.

I’m considering putting a web site up of public/private venues and the camera policy of each… at least in San Francisco.

And yes. I do wish that I had photos of concerts that I’d been to 5 and 10 years ago. These are great memories that will fade with age and it would be nice to go back and revisit them in the future.

Tom
http://thomashawk.com

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By: Kriss Craig http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2926 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 12:32:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2926 I still have an ‘old-fashioned’ phone which does not come with a camera. For taking digital photos, I have a tiny digital camera which I can take with me wherever I’d like, or leave at home if I choose. My husband, however, has a phone in which he didn’t want the camera, but had no choice – the camera was in there if he wanted the other features. So, now that he has a camera-in-phone that he doesn’t want, he can’t take his mobile phone with him to concerts. Which means he can’t hook up with friends, can’t call the doctor should I go into labor, etc etc. I think people getting uptight about camera phones are a little hysterical – the picture quality is crap, they’re no good for much besides silly low-res postcards to send to friends (“look, I was here”), and taking them away means taking away communication power.

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By: craig http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2925 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:53:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2925 Well I do think it is a little confusing when cell phone manufactures and cell phone companies push their “camera phones”. But yet, they don’t tell any one that they will not be allowed into a concert, a shopping mall or restaurant.

I guess the next concert I got to I will just have to bring my sketch pad and pencils.

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2924 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 11:34:56 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2924 As I understand it, witches are able to extract archival-quality audio from any suitable photo.

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By: alfie http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2923 Fri, 06 Aug 2004 09:51:01 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2923 Welcome to the future folks, proudly presented by the RIAA. Here in Europe, whether by dint of cultural virtue or simple numbers, there simply hasnt been the furore around copyright infringement (imagined or real) that there has been in the states, Im just afraid it’s lurking behind the poster of the next band I go to see.

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By: TNK http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/cameras-at-concerts/#comment-2922 Thu, 05 Aug 2004 19:21:45 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/cameras_at_concerts.html#comment-2922 Tomorrow, I’ll register a copyright of my own face, and the next time a video camera in the local supermarket takes pictures of me, I’ll sue the supermarket for copyright infrigment !

Stupid ? No, just a bit too early, but wait a few years and we’ll be there !

Conclusion : To get rich, be a lawyer ! (well, that’s nothing new…)

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