Comments on: Break Up the CIA (V)? No, the FBI! http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/ Blog, news, books Thu, 12 Oct 2017 08:56:00 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.8.2 By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1939 Fri, 03 Sep 2004 14:27:18 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1939 Have you read Herb Meyer’s article on the CIA [and why it is not working now, when it did before] from Imprimis? It is great! Imprimis is available free from Hillsdale College in Michigan.

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By: Tim Fong http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1937 Tue, 31 Aug 2004 01:00:58 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1937 Maureen,
Actually the CIA is forbidden from doing domestic intelligency by the National Security Act of 1947. That is the precise legal reason why it cannot run intelligence operations on US soil.

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By: v http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1936 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 18:29:31 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1936 If an intelligence agency is involved in collecting all intelligence, both internal and external, it becomes dangerously powerful. As it is intelligence reform is an extremely difficult matter because the executive has to ensure that it retains complete control over the agencies, otherwise they are prone to get ideas (Church committee …etc). This is a reason why in every democratic country, internal intelligence gathering is separate from gathering intelligence outside the country’s shores.

The separation of intelligence gathering and criminal law enforcement also exists in other countries like India. I think it is a good idea to separate the two, not just because of reasons of work culture, but also because it ensures better control and oversight over the functioning of the organizations.

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By: Maureen http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1935 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 15:57:02 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1935 “Why do we have a CIA that can only do intellegence gathering outside the USA”

Because there are certain Constitutional limits on gathering intelligence within the United States, and the CIA has operated without these Constitutional limits when working on foreign soil. They don’t have a culture that’s used to working within the Constitution. The FBI, on the other hand, has a culture that’s constitutionally constrained (at least since the death of J. Edgar Hoover) but doesn’t have a culture that’s based on the collection and analysis of intelligence. Ergo, we need an agency that is specifically assigned to gather intelligence within the United States and within Constitutional boundaries.

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By: Mojo http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1934 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 05:43:43 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1934 I agree with you that the pre-9/11 (and pre-Iraq for that matter) intelligence failures were not primarily due to structural problems. But I think your solution doesn’t really fix anything. It’s just kicking the problem of intelligence community coordination with law enforcement one step down the chain. Beyond that, I think an MI5-like organization would make other problems (coordination, oversight, etc.) worse. Plus, I’ve never been much impressed with MI5′s record anyway. Philby wasn’t French, for God’s sake!

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By: Anonymous http://www.lessig.org/2004/08/break-up-the-cia-v-no-the-fbi/#comment-1933 Sun, 29 Aug 2004 03:48:15 +0000 http://lessig.org/blog/2004/08/break_up_the_cia_v_no_the_fbi.html#comment-1933 Why do we have a CIA that can only do intellegence gathering outside the USA. Why cant they act like Central Intel. Leave FBI to being the “plainclothes” cops. The CIA would then have responsibility for all intellegence gathering (like merging of MI5 and MI6 together).

you would still have a problem, whereby a coordination center would need to be established where informationc ould flow freel in both directions (CIA FBI) so one and the other could learn from each other, and take action upon information received.

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